The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence

[Peebothuhlu]

The matter is impossible to exist from nothing because matter is from energy and Second law of thermodynamics says that the energy is decreasing over time
and some day will be consumed. how can it then last eternity that was behind us
and the god chouldn't be made from matter because of that to and because he is the first cause.

Hello Nogba!

Uhm... no?

Matter and energy are interchangable states (Hence Einstein's E=MC2 thing).

Well, yes. The "Heat death of the universe" is one idea.

However then you also have the 'Big rip' hypothesis.

Basically reality will 'stretch' to such an extent that the 'Rest state' of subatomic particles will 'Shift'... Leading to a completley 'new' form of reality... Since the behavour of siad new energy state will create 'new' effects.

Cheers.

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[brewer]

First of all please excuse my english, it's not my original language.

every thing that existes must have a reason that made him come to existence right ?
you can't create something from nothing.
nothing comes to existance by coincidence, but if you say so then what brings this law of coincidence in existance.
the coincidence law it self need something to bring him to existance

the probleme is that if every thing needs a first reason to existe,
nothing will existe in first place.

why is that ?
because we need that very first reason that doesn't need a reason to exist that will begin the chaine of causes.

this first causes is called god, that will catalyst the existance.

[Nogba]

The matter is impossible to exist from nothing because matter is from energy and Second law of thermodynamics says that the energy is decreasing over time
and some day will be consumed. how can it then last eternity that was behind us
and the god chouldn't be made from matter because of that to and because he is the first cause.

Hello Nogba!

Uhm... no?

Matter and energy are interchangable states (Hence Einstein's E=MC2 thing).

Well, yes. The "Heat death of the universe" is one idea.

However then you also have the 'Big rip' hypothesis.

Basically reality will 'stretch' to such an extent that the 'Rest state' of subatomic particles will 'Shift'... Leading to a completley 'new' form of reality... Since the behavour of siad new energy state will create 'new' effects.

Cheers.

Not at work.

science is not complete and have still long way if not we won't reach the peak of scieance.

if you didn't reach the peak of science how can you reach god if that's possible in first place.

that why believe complete the basics you have

you think you can reach 100% sertanty ?

you just need the basics and then you complete by fate

and fate is an other thing to talk about and explain.

[Peebothuhlu]

science is not complete and have still long way if not we won't reach the peak of scieance.

if you didn't reach the peak of science how can you reach god if that's possible in first place.

that why believe complete the basics you have

you think you can reach 100% sertanty ?

you just need the basics and then you complete by fate

and fate is an other thing to talk about and explain.

Indeed, science is not complete. If it was... it would stop.

The "Because we don't know something you should believe in a diety" is not a very convincing line of thinking.

So far the things you've put forwards as being the atributes of your diety seem completely incohherant...

Well.. Unless your diety is actually Cthuhlu.
In which case they actually match up.
A being beyond human comprehension existing beyond time and space.
The best reason to worship such a thing is so that, upon its return to reality, those most fervid worshipers are consumed first and hence saved from Id shattering insanity.



Cheers.

Not at work.

[Deesse23]

...... Second law of thermodynamics says that the energy is decreasing over time
and some day will be consumed.

You are wrong, twice:
#1 Thats not what the law says
#2 The law may not apply to the universe as a whole.
Are you seriously trying to (ab)use science to reason your god into existence? Really?

Now, your thread title was, about logic. What has the second law of thermodynamics to do with logic proving your god? Even if you god was "logical", that doenst demonstrate he i sreal. We can imagine lots of things that are "logical" bu tnot real.

Please demonstrate your god exits. Reasoning and defining it into existence is pretty weak sauce.

[Nogba]

second law of thermodynamics proof

[Peebothuhlu]

..... Posted stuff.....

 Yes, you've made your comment on the 2nd law.

People have replied.

As in my comment that the universe may,

A) Litterally fade into a 'Heat death of everything'.

OR

B) Reality may 'stretch' to such a point that the 'Rest state' of subatomic particles might change... Causing a whole new state of reality to come into existance. A 'Big rip', if you will.

Neither of these explain or touch upon,

A) That point in which all the energy of reality 'Came to be' and its prescedence, if any.

B) What a hypothetical diety has to do with anything.

You see Nogba, just saying "A diety did it" doesn't actually explain the 'Doing' part.

Okay, your diety created reality.

How?

If your answer is "Ah, we can't understand the 'How' of my diety making reality." then your explanation is, in effect, useless.

It doesn't actually inform us of anything.

I hope we're coming closer to an understanding on one another.

Cheers.

Not at work.

[Deesse23]

second law of thermodynamics proof

If you still maintain your original claim that

...... Second law of thermodynamics says that the energy is decreasing over time

and some day will be consumed.

then you are wrong, simply wrong. Posting a link to a youtube video wont help you, since you still are confused.

Let me help you by asking what the FIRST law of thermodynamic states.

[LastPoet]

Ya know, I feel like I have heard the same tired bad aguments, milions of times. What's next? TAG?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

second law of thermodynamics proof

Yeah, no one is saying that the Second Law is wrong.  We're saying that it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Boru