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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 22, 2019 at 11:50 am
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Interestingly enough, the context of the statement, rendering to Caesar and to god, was the Pax Romana.
This wasn’t a conversation anyone had, but a rhetorical device concerning national identity and cultural purity. Giving unto ceasar is a play on Roman coinage, but there were other taxes to be paid. The temple tax and tithing , this was why there were money changers at the temple - you had to pay in Jewish coin for purity. This was gods.
Is it so surprising that a tax collectors religion tells people to pay all the taxes?
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 22, 2019 at 5:50 pm
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(July 22, 2019 at 8:00 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (July 18, 2019 at 6:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Spot on, zebo. Reckon they missed that 'render unto Caesar' bit. (translation: I want the benefits of living in a society and none of the responsibilities)
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Taxes in Roman Empire were much lower than in any modern country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_taxes
https://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php 1. Irrelevant
2. Because you live in different kind of country
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 2:11 am
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(July 22, 2019 at 2:50 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: (July 22, 2019 at 2:35 am)Godscreated Wrote: Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's. He did not say that Caesar should tax the people twice on the same money. That would be an unfair practice against individuals because of their personal belief.
GC
I think he also said some shit about his kingdom not being a worldly kingdom, and we should not lay our treasures where moth and dust corrupt, that Christians should not involve themselves in worldly affairs but rather make themselves spiritually pure, strive to be righteous, look after the weak and hurting that the world has abandoned... doesn't seem like a sustainable way to change the government for the better, but (to be fair) I think this model assumed the world was going to end in a generation or two.
Guess what? The world didn't end and you schmucks have to pay your taxes. Hail Caesar!
I, we do not mind paying taxes because it is good for the nation. You are right Jesus did tell us to take care of the down trodden, those who society have rejected because they are selfish money mongers. The church does much for these people and it saves the taxpayers much.
GC
(July 22, 2019 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 22, 2019 at 2:35 am)Godscreated Wrote: You are exactly right, Jesus told the religious leaders in Jerusalem that people were to pay their taxes and this is why. We are to be good stewards of the government and in doing so people can find no fault in our actions. Jesus also knew that countries can't run on goodwill it takes money to provide for the citizens of that country. Now I imagine you are wondering why the church doesn't pay taxes, well the government itself made that particular law not the church. Also it would be double taxing the same money because the people have already paid taxes on that money. Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's. He did not say that Caesar should tax the people twice on the same money. That would be an unfair practice against individuals because of their personal belief.
GC
Luke 6:29 'And if someone takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic as well' could certainly be used to justify double taxation.
Boru
No not exactly individuals do not tax others, your posted example would be charity to those in need.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 3:10 am
(July 22, 2019 at 11:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 22, 2019 at 8:00 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Taxes in Roman Empire were much lower than in any modern country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_taxes
https://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php
Probably because most modern countries don't increase national revenue by going to war with the Dacians.
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Also, citizens of most modern countries don’t live so close to starvation that if taxed a few percent more they would go wholesale into indigence and famine.
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 4:12 am
(July 22, 2019 at 11:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 22, 2019 at 8:00 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Taxes in Roman Empire were much lower than in any modern country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_taxes
https://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php
Probably because most modern countries don't increase national revenue by going to war with the Dacians.
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I tried but the Dacians were all hiding, apparently.
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 4:31 am
(July 23, 2019 at 4:12 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (July 22, 2019 at 11:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Probably because most modern countries don't increase national revenue by going to war with the Dacians.
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I tried but the Dacians were all hiding, apparently.
You can find them on Facebook, easy targets.
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 4:38 am
(July 23, 2019 at 4:31 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: (July 23, 2019 at 4:12 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: I tried but the Dacians were all hiding, apparently.
You can find them on Facebook, easy targets.
Damn.
I don’t use FB.
Might have to make war on the Thracians instead.
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 8:10 am
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The us gov subsidizes billions of dollars into churches, in addition to granting them tax free status...for “charity”. It doesn’t save the taxpayers shit
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 1:12 pm
(July 23, 2019 at 4:38 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (July 23, 2019 at 4:31 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: You can find them on Facebook, easy targets.
Damn.
I don’t use FB.
Might have to make war on the Thracians instead.
Not before I come from holiday there you wont!
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RE: Christian family fined after arguing taxes 'against God's will'
July 23, 2019 at 1:26 pm
(July 23, 2019 at 1:12 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (July 23, 2019 at 4:38 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Damn.
I don’t use FB.
Might have to make war on the Thracians instead.
Not before I come from holiday there you wont!
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