Is there any proof that humans are born into sin?...

[bjhulk]

I don't personally think that we are, but there are a lot of Christians who point to the fact that kids have to be trained not to be selfish, as one example, that we are all born into sin. They also pour scorn onto humanism, by citing all of the wars in the 20th century as an example that humanism has failed.

Everyone wants proof today instead of believing in something. That means we're living in much more fear than our ancestors did. They just lived life working the fields to survive until they died. We're living in an internet culture where every idea has to be checked out. Our ancestors understood when a lazy child was born or one who became greedy out of nowhere. Other children would masturbate at a very young age even while they lived out in the middle of the country where they couldn't learn these from other people.

I could teach you the symbolic story of how God created Adam and Eve that would explain how God corrupted the DNA of our cells to force us to disobey the law and commandments of God. He needed all his people deceived while he worked with his prophets, Jesus and us saints in his truth. It's much easier to hear the truth when everyone is a liar. Sinners can't understand the things of God so they became religious, instead. They worship their own ideas and interpretations of the scriptures instead of the true God that's impossible for them to know.

[Minimalist]

I could teach you the symbolic story of how God created Adam and Eve that would explain how God corrupted the DNA of our cells to force us to disobey the law and commandments of God.

You could, but you'd be making it up which is actually fairly commonplace among religious types.

[Shell B]

Everyone wants proof today instead of believing in something.

That is obviously untrue. You have no problem with having no proof.

That means we're living in much more fear than our ancestors did. They just lived life working the fields to survive until they died. We're living in an internet culture where every idea has to be checked out. Our ancestors understood when a lazy child was born or one who became greedy out of nowhere. Other children would masturbate at a very young age even while they lived out in the middle of the country where they couldn't learn these from other people.

Dude, what the fuck? Do you have a point or are you just babbling about fear and child masturbation? Honestly, the above makes no sense. There is no clear beginning, middle, end and moral.

I could teach you the symbolic story of how God created Adam and Eve that would explain how God corrupted the DNA of our cells to force us to disobey the law and commandments of God. He needed all his people deceived while he worked with his prophets, Jesus and us saints in his truth. It's much easier to hear the truth when everyone is a liar. Sinners can't understand the things of God so they became religious, instead. They worship their own ideas and interpretations of the scriptures instead of the true God that's impossible for them to know.

Well, I agree that religion is BS. The rest of it is just more nonsense, though. Sorry. I really tried.

[thesummerqueen]

He's some sort of troll-type, Shell.

[Shell B]

And still posting?

[thesummerqueen]

I have a feeling it will continue until someone gets tired of the incoherent babbling.

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I mean...really... child masturbation?

[Shell B]

Well, I think he may have been talking about the horrors of kids starting to masturbate early. Odd topic, nonetheless.

[thesummerqueen]

I'd rather a kid be masturbating for stress relief than smoking or any other drug. Just sayin'. Self-love, man.

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then again, how early is "early"? and who defines that?

[Shell B]

When a person starts masturbating because of their bodily changes, without any kind of abuse involved in their early self-discovery, it is perfectly natural and should never be looked at as a shameful thing, but most of us know that. There is no "too early." If your body can do it and you came across the habit without any help of the bad sort, then it is time.

[thesummerqueen]

Unless God told you "no means no" even to your own hand.