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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 29, 2019 at 3:22 pm
(August 29, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
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Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.
No argument.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm
(August 29, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
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Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.
So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 1:06 pm
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(August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.
Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
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I might say faith’s main role is to aid in passing counterfeit knowledge as real. If the path is indeed long to knowledge, then faith is almost sure to deflect one from it.
(August 29, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
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Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.
Because we don’t think truth becomes truth merely because you wish it to be truth.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 2:21 pm
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(August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (August 29, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.
So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
If anything, faith by necessity of what it entails must preclude knowledge.
(August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.
Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
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Faith is when you insist something to be true but you can't seem to be able to determine through reason whether it's true or not.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 2:36 pm
(August 30, 2019 at 2:21 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
If anything, faith by necessity of what it entails must preclude knowledge.
(August 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge.
Boru
Faith is when you insist something to be true but you can't seem to be able to determine through reason whether it's true or not.
Twain put it more succinctly: 'Faith is believing what you know ain't so.'
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 3:06 pm
(August 29, 2019 at 3:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No argument.
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I will stand by that.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 3:11 pm
(August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (August 29, 2019 at 3:18 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.
So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
We all have the same God. There is only one God who reveals himself to those who sincerely seek him, no matter what religion they claim.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 3:25 pm
(August 30, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Lek Wrote: 
(August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
We all have the same God. There is only one God who reveals himself to those who sincerely seek him, no matter what religion they claim.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 3:31 pm
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(August 30, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
We all have the same God. There is only one God who reveals himself to those who sincerely seek him, no matter what religion they claim.
Funny how that works. You look for a particular god and that's the one you find. It's called 'confirmation bias'.
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RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 30, 2019 at 3:37 pm
(August 30, 2019 at 3:11 pm)Lek Wrote: (August 30, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So please, demonstrate that faith is a reliable path to knowledge.
I've been asking theists this one, seeming straight forward question for decades, and not one had been able to answer. Including some pretty well known apologists.
Just as a reminder, 1.8 billion Muslims, 2.2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists, etc, etc, all use faith to get to their religious beliefs. And we know they can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.
We all have the same God. There is only one God who reveals himself to those who sincerely seek him, no matter what religion they claim. Really? Quetzalcoatl is the same as your god?
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