TV boss found guilty of beheading wife.

[OnlyNatural]

You say that a tight-knit, honest community is of the highest value in your religion. You want a way to address actions that have harmed the community in some way, to hold the wrongdoer accountable and respond to the needs of the people who have been hurt, and the larger community.

How can you possibly think that stoning someone to death is the only solution? Are your communities really so bloodthirsty that the only way to satisfy their emotional needs is to have a brutal execution that everyone can participate in?

If you want a community solution, here's one for you - Restorative Justice:

...based on a theory of justice that considers crime and wrongdoing as an offense against an individual or community rather than the state.

Restorative justice that fosters dialogue between victim and offender shows the highest rates of victim satisfaction and offender accountability.

...restorative resolutions engage those who are harmed, wrongdoers and their affected communities in search of solutions that promote repair, reconciliation and the rebuilding of relationships. Restorative justice seeks to build partnerships to reestablish mutual responsibility for constructive responses to wrongdoing within our communities. Restorative approaches seek a balanced approach to the needs of the victim, wrongdoer and community through processes that preserve the safety and dignity of all.

If you HAVE to have some sort of punishment, there are all kinds of social sanctions that would be far more humane than stoning or beheading. Think of shame-oriented societies which use threats of social ostracism or sometimes even public humiliation. Not that I agree with these methods of social control either (they are often linked to high rates of suicide, for one thing), but surely DEATH BY STONING is not the only weapon in your community's arsenal. The poverty of your imagination is incredible.

You want a close community where people respect each other and own up to their actions. Why not just get everyone together so they can express the harm that's been done, and allow the wrongdoer to face up to his actions, take responsibility for what he did, perhaps receive some temporary social sanction, and then you can all work together at REPAIRING those treasured community relationships (like a civilized, respectful community would) instead of murdering your neighbors and daughters because some people had their feelings hurt.

And don't just repeat your damn 4-person rule. I don't care how many people saw it (or said they saw it). Two people responding to their sexual urges in a consensual way may offend some people (in the case of adultery), but those two people do NOT deserve death, I don't care what you say. People can and DO change, relationships get repaired. It's disgusting that you would throw a young life in the trash because of temporary hurt feelings. Who the hell are you to say that 'community' and 'relationships' matter most in your religion?

[ruhollah]

And don't just repeat your damn 4-person rule. I don't care how many people saw it (or said they saw it). Two people responding to their sexual urges in a consensual way may offend some people (in the case of adultery), but those two people do NOT deserve death, I don't care what you say. People can and DO change, relationships get repaired. It's disgusting that you would throw a young life in the trash because of temporary hurt feelings. Who the hell are you to say that 'community' and 'relationships' matter most in your religion?

Listen the punishment is there to DETER adultery......... in reality it should be near impossible to be handed out. Just like the electric chair is there to DETER homicides.

Those who can hand out such sentence, are not bloodthirsty and get high on power trips.

If someone commits a moral slip such as adultery, they are encouraged to not go and BOAST about it and LIE about it if your spouse asks. Anything to keep the family/marriage together.

Those who witnessed the act, live and can give every little detail are encouraged to keep quiet and don't go public about it. These encouragements all come from the prophet.

Typically when stoning occurs, it is the sinners who go A. either public about it and ask for the punishment as a means to REPENT or B. militant adulterers who commit live adultery in public and have NO REMORSE about it. ex. A man who has sex with another women in front of HIS OWN children.... no soul/remorse whatsoever.

When a trial is being taken (which is so RARE that not even a PORN STUDIO in saudi arabia would be put into trial), all 4 witness must give the same EXACT details, DNA test is to occur and then those who commited the act are ask if they want to plead not guilty due to insanity. The judge and jury are not bloodthirsty and waiting for you to slip, they give you every opportunity to avoid such sentence.

If you look at most of the modern religious countries, such a sentence has not occurred in the last couple of centuries.

[OnlyNatural]

Listen the punishment is there to DETER adultery......... Just like the electric chair is there to DETER homicides.

These things happen whether or not there's deterrence.

And do you believe that these two crimes are equally harmful and equally deserving of execution? Hurting people's feelings can't even COMPARE to murder.

If someone commits a moral slip such as adultery, they are encouraged to not go and BOAST about it and LIE about it if your spouse asks. Anything to keep the family/marriage together.

Those who witnessed the act, live and can give every little detail are encouraged to keep quiet and don't go public about it. These encouragements all come from the prophet.

So it's okay to LIE in your honest, tight-knit communities? And you're saying that adultery is not a big deal as long as it doesn't go public and cause negative feelings?

Hushing it up, pretending it didn't happen, and avoiding responsibility. What kind of morality is that?

Typically when stoning occurs, it is the sinners who go A. either public about it and ask for the punishment as a means to REPENT or B. militant adulterers who commit live adultery in public and have NO REMORSE about it. ex. A man who has sex with another women in front of HIS OWN children.... no soul/remorse whatsoever.

So either the wrongdoer asks to be stoned to death, or he's boasting about it with no remorse.

If someone genuinely wants to die because he believes that's the only way to repent, that's a result of religious brainwashing and it's truly a tragedy.

If he's boasting without remorse, then he's an asshole. But he still doesn't deserve death. Publicly humiliate him, expel him from the community, ANYTHING else. Better yet, work together as a community to repair the damaged relationships. Why is death the only solution?

When a trial is being taken (which is so RARE that not even a PORN STUDIO in saudi arabia would be put into trial), all 4 witness must give the same EXACT details, DNA test is to occur and then those who commited the act are ask if they want to plead not guilty due to insanity. The judge and jury are not bloodthirsty and waiting for you to slip, they give you every opportunity to avoid such sentence.

If you look at most of the modern religious countries, such a sentence has not occurred in the last couple of centuries.

Whether or not it's a rare occurrence, it's still disgusting, and impossible to justify. So what if he's guilty? This 'sentence' shouldn't even exist, it shouldn't even be an option. By murdering him, you're committing a MUCH greater crime.

[Zen Badger]

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Listen the punishment is there to DETER adultery......... in reality it should be near impossible to be handed out. Just like the electric chair is there to DETER homicides.

Those who can hand out such sentence, are not bloodthirsty and get high on power trips.

If someone commits a moral slip such as adultery, they are encouraged to not go and BOAST about it and LIE about it if your spouse asks. Anything to keep the family/marriage together.

Those who witnessed the act, live and can give every little detail are encouraged to keep quiet and don't go public about it. These encouragements all come from the prophet.

Typically when stoning occurs, it is the sinners who go A. either public about it and ask for the punishment as a means to REPENT or B. militant adulterers who commit live adultery in public and have NO REMORSE about it. ex. A man who has sex with another women in front of HIS OWN children.... no soul/remorse whatsoever.

When a trial is being taken (which is so RARE that not even a PORN STUDIO in saudi arabia would be put into trial), all 4 witness must give the same EXACT details, DNA test is to occur and then those who commited the act are ask if they want to plead not guilty due to insanity. The judge and jury are not bloodthirsty and waiting for you to slip, they give you every opportunity to avoid such sentence.

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If you look at most of the modern religious countries, such a sentence has not occurred in the last couple of centuries.

Are you denying that these stonings happened?

And I don't give a fuck about adultery or anything else.

I'm focussing on the stonings, nothing else, so stop trying to deflect the discussion away from it.

[ruhollah]

These things happen whether or not there's deterrence.

And do you believe that these two crimes are equally harmful and equally deserving of execution? Hurting people's feelings can't even COMPARE to murder.

I'm not try to compare the two.... I'm just saying its there to DETER the sin of adultery to be committed. Christians/Jews if I'm not mistaken have the same punishment.

BTW its like countries have nukes to deter other countries from attacking them with a nuke.

So it's okay to LIE in your honest, tight-knit communities? And you're saying that adultery is not a big deal as long as it doesn't go public and cause negative feelings?

Hushing it up, pretending it didn't happen, and avoiding responsibility. What kind of morality is that?

Lying is okay to keep the state of marriage positive. Its okay to say "honey dinner was wonderful"...even though it was the worst meal you ever ate. Lying to keep the family together is okay, but in the case of adultry... you better be praying and REPENTING....because sooner or later it'll haunt you.

So either the wrongdoer asks to be stoned to death, or he's boasting about it with no remorse.

If someone genuinely wants to die because he believes that's the only way to repent, that's a result of religious brainwashing and it's truly a tragedy.

If he's boasting without remorse, then he's an asshole. But he still doesn't deserve death. Publicly humiliate him, expel him from the community, ANYTHING else. Better yet, work together as a community to repair the damaged relationships. Why is death the only solution?

Look if this is the ONE thing that turns you off, then don't accept it. Maybe the other stuff in the religion can help bring positive outcome in life.

Maybe in the hereafter we can ask why our Creator handed out such a sentence...

Whether or not it's a rare occurrence, it's still disgusting, and impossible to justify. So what if he's guilty? This 'sentence' shouldn't even exist, it shouldn't even be an option. By murdering him, you're committing a MUCH greater crime.

As I said it is so rare that no one even knows the process of such a sentencing. Call the ambassador of UAE, Malaysia, Iran, Oman, ...etc. and ask them when was the last time a stoning sentence was issued. Go ahead and call them and you tell us what they say.......

If you are going to bring up cases from an uneducated nation that has been suffering tremendously because of war.......all I can say is that people's mentality changes at times of extreme difficulty. They did not deserve those sentences.

[Cinjin]

You are no better than the Nazi's.

[Skipper]

Anyone who makes excuses and sympathises as much as this prick does with the act of stoning someone to death can go fuck themselves. I'm done with this cunt.

[KichigaiNeko]

how about you guys tell me a punishment for adultery

'Adultery' is something that only happens to backward prehistoric males, with a female population that is in decline.

Extramarital sex does happen...but then what did YOU do to contribute to the wandering of YOUR partner. It is NOT the "communities" issue, it is YOUR issue and YOUR personal responsibility to rectify the situation. Involving the "community" is using the old 'Scapegoat cop out'. YOU are then effectively making the WHOLE 'community' guilty of YOUR inadequacies.

if no punishment, then tell me what we can do for affected victims

Child support, Alimony, and living well with out the offending partner. But then that would take someone of personal integrity, who is in full possession of self knowledge and who is honest enough to admit to his own inadequacies.

Listen this religion is aimed to build real men and real women who are respectful to one another and no bs/head-games goes on in a relationship.

If you don't like it, then don't complain. A billion people seem to be living fine following these principles.

But they are not...are they.

Religion the world over is failing it's adherents...the tighter you squeeze your fist the less you will hold. Non- of the abrahamic religions are of any lasting value as a deterrent

[Cinjin]

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[KichigaiNeko]

We can sit and argue about this issue all day, but I recommend you take a break and come back when you can give a good argument and not resort to foul language.

Please explain to me Ru WHY I am the one who must not resort to "foul" language and yet every other male (and a number of females) have abused you , your country, your prophet and your fairytale beliefs with worse language than mine??