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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 1, 2019 at 3:18 am
While it can be mighty fun to do that @ Fake Messiah , I prefer to not use that fictional embodiment of evil. A lot of religionists already think we are Lucifer's minions, best not reinforce that belief. Lets not give them amno, despite being bollocks and in clear sarcasm.
I have a friend that could burp (he basicly swallowed air) and then spoke words while burping in an ominous sound. We helped an old woman and she said "bless you child" to wich he replied burping "May satan be with you". We surely got branded as satanists in the village after that. I, for association. But then we were 16.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 1, 2019 at 4:23 am
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2019 at 4:25 am by Fake Messiah.)
(September 1, 2019 at 3:18 am)LastPoet Wrote: While it can be mighty fun to do that @Fake Messiah , I prefer to not use that fictional embodiment of evil. A lot of religionists already think we are Lucifer's minions, best not reinforce that belief. Lets not give them amno, despite being bollocks and in clear sarcasm.
That's the thing with satanism: one doesn't choose to be a satanist but Christians proclaim that you are a satanist for various reasons, like: 1) you don't believe in their gods; 2) you play D&D; 3) you listen to heavy metal music; 4) you're gay; 5) acknowledge evolution, etcetera
So according to many Christians you are already a satanist.
Indeed, satanism is not an actual religion because it would be an oxymoronic religion since you would first have to believe in Christian God and then believe in Satan, but it rather serves to troll Christians when they want to display 10 commandments on public land, put prayer in schools and other ways that they do to create a theocracy.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 12:16 pm
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When I'm eating in a restaurant with others I don't verbalize my prayer. No problems except for maybe some embarrassing silence for some. It's ok though; I put up with others quirks too. But it's only for five seconds.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 1:11 pm
(September 3, 2019 at 12:16 pm)Lek Wrote: When I'm eating in a restaurant with others I don't verbalize my prayer. No problems except for maybe some embarrassing silence for some. It's ok though; I put up with others quirks too. But it's only for five seconds.
That seems reasonable enough. I have a friend who puts his hands on either side of his plate and prays silently. Takes a few seconds, and I sit quietly until he's finished.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Just eat. You’re already right or wrong with a god. Long before they utter the food spell.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 2:27 pm
Culturaly, here there is no such tradition here. There is hom nom nom and the talk in between. My mom tells me that the sheep that meeeehs around is missing a mouthfull.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 2:59 pm
1. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, don’t accept the invitation.
2. His praying doesn’t mean you have to wait to eat.
3. So long as he’s not asking you to prsy, I don’t see a problem.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 3, 2019 at 4:47 pm
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(August 30, 2019 at 2:52 pm)Denverguy Wrote: I don't know how to handle this. I have two religious friends, and whenever I go out to eat with either of them this is a problem. I meet one only at restaurants. He always says a prayer before eating. It makes me feel awkward, as though by waiting until he's finished I am in agreement with the prayer. I'm not.
I have another friend who I met for dinner at someone's house. Before we ate she said a prayer, while we all waited. (Several of us are non-believers).
Again, the awkwardness while waiting for her to finish the prayer. This is just me, but I find that to be a little rude and self-serving.
I am tempted to eat before she finishes the prayer, but that would be construed as rude.
I wish I knew how to deal with this problem. Any suggestions?
In my opinion, your friend is not taking into consideration that you're uncomfortable with prayer, so why should you take into consideration that they'd find it rude you eat before they're finished?
Actions speak louder than words. Next time, start eating as soon as your food is set down and if your friend objects and wants to pray, tell them, "I don't care to pray before I eat. But feel free to do so if you want. Thanks." And continue to eat.
Just don't make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be. Don't debate about it, don't explain yourself. Just eat your food and tell them it's okay if they want to pray.
No big deal.
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 4, 2019 at 8:45 am
(August 30, 2019 at 2:52 pm)Denverguy Wrote: I don't know how to handle this. I have two religious friends, and whenever I go out to eat with either of them this is a problem. I meet one only at restaurants. He always says a prayer before eating. It makes me feel awkward, as though by waiting until he's finished I am in agreement with the prayer. I'm not.
I have another friend who I met for dinner at someone's house. Before we ate she said a prayer, while we all waited. (Several of us are non-believers).
Again, the awkwardness while waiting for her to finish the prayer. This is just me, but I find that to be a little rude and self-serving.
I am tempted to eat before she finishes the prayer, but that would be construed as rude.
I wish I knew how to deal with this problem. Any suggestions?
Write this on an index card and hand it to him just before he engages in his usual ritual:
“And when you pray, do not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners that they may be seen of men. Verily, I say unto you, they have their reward. But when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut the door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.” (Matthew 6:5-6)
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RE: A prayer before dinner
September 4, 2019 at 8:29 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2019 at 8:30 pm by Athene.)
Either wait a few moments (as you would for anyone making a toast or wanting to say a few words) or quietly begin eating your meal. It's rather unreasonable to expect that folks shouldn't say grace just because you don't; Especially if you're a guest in their home.
If they've got something to say about you starting to eat before they've finished, just lean in and say...
"Sorry darling, but you know i'm a heathen. And everything just looked so delightful and sumptuous--I'm afraid I couldn't help myself."
Then wink.
Any anger on your friend's part will soon be replaced by lust and excitement.
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