This is what religious conservatives does.

[The Grand Nudger]

Ofc it is, you libs are an infestation of pests. All they have to do to make America great again is sterilize your breeding grounds.

[Vince]

BULLSHIT, that wasn't simply hyperbole. That is the same toxic and dangerous vilification Trump has used as red meat to rile up conservatives. 

You cannot take one example and solely focus on that.  Talk like that adds up, and when it adds up in politics, bad things follow. 

Do you not think that liberals do the same thing?

"Liberal breeding ground" is meant as a derogatory slur in an attempt to vilify dissent. He is using the same vile tactics Trump is using.

I can agree this language is not helpful but why focus on it only when conservatives do this?

"Liberal" is not an evil term, and we are not some separate species. "Liberal" means "open", "more", "bigger tent".

"Liberal" is the opposite of China, the opposite of North Korea, the opposite of Stalin., the opposite of Hitler, the opposite of Cuba.

I can agree that we should not equate liberal with evil necessarily.  We should equate evil with evil.  But liberal means a lot more than that in America.  It generally means pro choice, more open boarders, more taxes, more programs, more government regulation etc.  Some people are in disagreement with these ideologies some consider them evil or bad.  

And I don't give a shit if he has voted for funding for higher education. If he didn't mean it, he shouldn't have said it.

And this is the problem.  If you say something you don't really mean you cannot be forgiven that if it is of the opposing party. Biden says crap he needs to retract or clarify often.  We need to have more grace toward each other if we really want to communicate.  

Of course on average the more educated someone is the more likely they are to be liberal. But "liberal breeding ground" he is saying like that is a bad thing, and it is not a bad thing.

Bad is not objective. You just disagree on this point.  I believe some liberal and some conservative ideology is bad, so what.  Why not discuss the ideology and forget the name calling?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

BULLSHIT, that wasn't simply hyperbole. That is the same toxic and dangerous vilification Trump has used as red meat to rile up conservatives. 

You cannot take one example and solely focus on that.  Talk like that adds up, and when it adds up in politics, bad things follow. 

Do you not think that liberals do the same thing?

"Liberal breeding ground" is meant as a derogatory slur in an attempt to vilify dissent. He is using the same vile tactics Trump is using.

I can agree this language is not helpful but why focus on it only when conservatives do this?

"Liberal" is not an evil term, and we are not some separate species. "Liberal" means "open", "more", "bigger tent".

"Liberal" is the opposite of China, the opposite of North Korea, the opposite of Stalin., the opposite of Hitler, the opposite of Cuba.

I can agree that we should not equate liberal with evil necessarily.  We should equate evil with evil.  But liberal means a lot more than that in America.  It generally means pro choice, more open boarders, more taxes, more programs, more government regulation etc.  Some people are in disagreement with these ideologies some consider them evil or bad.  

And I don't give a shit if he has voted for funding for higher education. If he didn't mean it, he shouldn't have said it.

And this is the problem.  If you say something you don't really mean you cannot be forgiven that if it is of the opposing party. Biden says crap he needs to retract or clarify often.  We need to have more grace toward each other if we really want to communicate.  

Of course on average the more educated someone is the more likely they are to be liberal. But "liberal breeding ground" he is saying like that is a bad thing, and it is not a bad thing.

Bad is not objective. You just disagree on this point.  I believe some liberal and some conservative ideology is bad, so what.  Why not discuss the ideology and forget the name calling?

Just a suggestion:  'whataboutism' doesn't qualify as a rebuttal or even an argument.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

If bad isn’t objective, how can Bad Whataboutism be objective?

Food for thought.

[Vince]

Just a suggestion:  'whataboutism' doesn't qualify as a rebuttal or even an argument.

Boru

I said more in my post than just pointing to liberals that do the same thing. I brought up liberals to make a point that it seems that most people will disregard something they oppose in the other party when their party does the same thing, not to say that it was ok.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If bad isn’t objective, how can Bad Whataboutism be objective?

Food for thought.

It is subjectively objective, meaning, 'I SO want this to be valid!!!'

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Just a suggestion:  'whataboutism' doesn't qualify as a rebuttal or even an argument.

Boru

I said more in my post than just pointing to liberals that do the same thing.  I brought up liberals to make a point that it seems that most people will disregard something they oppose in the other party when their party does the same thing, not to say that it was ok.

Your whataboutism was evident in every line of your reply to Brian. Instead of addressing what that dimwitted pol actually said (other than calling it hyperbole, with no basis to do so), all you really had to say boiled down to, 'You should point out that other people do the same thing', which is the essence of whataboutism.


Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I wish the libs would get on the ball with doingmore of the whataboutist bad shit.

They’re really late to the party on how effective creating groups of unAmericans and nonpersons can be.

Maybe we -should- stop funding churches and also revoke their non profit status. They’re breeding grounds for rabid conservative politics....

.......Used to be illegal, till those unamerican nonpersons put stooges in office.

[Vince]

Your whataboutism was evident in every line of your reply to Brian. Instead of addressing what that dimwitted pol actually said (other than calling it hyperbole, with no basis to do so),

My basis for calling it hyperbole is because the person that said it said it was hyperbole.

all you really had to say boiled down to, 'You should point out that other people do the same thing', which is the essence of whataboutism.

And so you are making my point about the state of america. When I said that my point in pointing out that liberals do the same thing was not to excuse the conservative that said something, you told me that I was wrong and that I really did mean to use whataboutism when that was not my intent.

This is why I said that we need more grace for others and allow people to clarify or retract statements they make in which they did not mean, we refuse to do that for people we disagree with.

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe he shouldn’t have pandered in such a hilariously fucked up way to begin with?

OTOH, the whataboutist contention that might arise from the libs makes a good point.

Considering both sides with grace and understanding. I assume they don’t mean to take churches down brick by brick....just to wean them off the government teat.