How is a Hotel responsible for firearm sales?

[EgoDeath]

The hotel isn't responsible for firearms sales, Brian.  No one has said they are.  They weren't sued for selling firearms. 

They were sued for having such stunningly inept security measures that they allowed a guest in their hotel to stockpile an arsenal in two of their rooms.

Boru

So what's the solution? Mandatory room searches in hotel rooms?

I don't want to live in a country where security takes complete and utter precedence over privacy. It's not paranoid to want privacy. It's not a conservative thing. It's human. I don't want people going through my shit, regardless of how innocuous the things I'm carrying are.

[onlinebiker]

Bullshit.

The Hotel did not make the guns, the hotel did not sell the guns.

But the factories and shops DID.

Takata made defective air bags, and is being held responsible. Even the  vaping industry is being RIGHTFULLY persed for it's bad products.

You give me one good fucking reason why firearm companies should not be held to the same oversight as any other product sold?

That's a good question Brian.

The airbags are defective.

The vape is not safe to consume.


The guns work exactly as advertised.

Their misuse is not the manufacturers or seller's fault - that fault is the end users...

But you and the lawyers won't admit that fact. The lawyers want money and you want to rid the world of guns.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The hotel isn't responsible for firearms sales, Brian.  No one has said they are.  They weren't sued for selling firearms. 

They were sued for having such stunningly inept security measures that they allowed a guest in their hotel to stockpile an arsenal in two of their rooms.

Boru

So what's the solution? Mandatory room searches in hotel rooms?

I don't want to live in a country where security takes complete and utter precedence over privacy. It's not paranoid to want privacy. It's not a conservative thing. It's human. I don't want people going through my shit, regardless of how innocuous the things I'm carrying are.

Mandalay Bay is a casino.  I think your privacy is pretty well fucked in such a place.

Funny that people don't want their bags searched at a hotel, but have no issue with it when it comes to getting on an airliner.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

That's a good question Brian.

The airbags are defective.

The vape is not safe to consume.


The guns work exactly as advertised.

Their misuse is not the manufacturers or seller's fault - that fault is the end users...

But you and the lawyers won't admit that fact. The lawyers want money and you want to rid the world of guns.

Fair point.

Suppose Takata made perfectly good airbags (they didn't, but suppose they had).  They followed all the guidelines, did excellent quality control, and held their manufacturing processes to the highest possible standards. Now suppose Mr. Smith is killed in a car crash because he removed this top-quality airbag and sold it. 

Why on earth would Mr. Smith's family sue Takata?

Similarly, suppose I bought a firearm (again, just supposing). I take it out to the firing range and it blows up in my hand because the doohickey which holds that stanifranz in place was improperly installed.  It would make sense to file suit against the manufacturer.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

The airbags are defective.

The vape is not safe to consume.


The guns work exactly as advertised.

Their misuse is not the manufacturers or seller's fault - that fault is the end users...

But you and the lawyers won't admit that fact. The lawyers want money and you want to rid the world of guns.

Fair point.

Suppose Takata made perfectly good airbags (they didn't, but suppose they had).  They followed all the guidelines, did excellent quality control, and held their manufacturing processes to the highest possible standards. Now suppose Mr. Smith is killed in a car crash because he removed this top-quality airbag and sold it. 

Why on earth would Mr. Smith's family sue Takata?

Boru

Because if Mr Smith was hard up enough.that he sold his airbag for gas money - the lawyer is gonna look for somebody with.more - Takata - for not making removing the airbag impossible.... Or something..

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Fair point.

Suppose Takata made perfectly good airbags (they didn't, but suppose they had).  They followed all the guidelines, did excellent quality control, and held their manufacturing processes to the highest possible standards. Now suppose Mr. Smith is killed in a car crash because he removed this top-quality airbag and sold it. 

Why on earth would Mr. Smith's family sue Takata?

Boru

Because if Mr Smith was hard up enough.that he sold his airbag for gas money - the lawyer is gonna look for somebody with.more - Takata - for not making removing the airbag impossible.... Or something..

Well, yeah, you can sue anyone for anything, but in this scenario, I don't fancy Mr. Smith's chances.

Boru

[EgoDeath]

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The airbags are defective.

The vape is not safe to consume.


The guns work exactly as advertised.

Their misuse is not the manufacturers or seller's fault - that fault is the end users...

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But you and the lawyers won't admit that fact. The lawyers want money and you want to rid the world of guns.

Well, you're the expert. Asked and answered.

Next time, take the time to consider that I actually agree with you. Lmao.

Mandalay Bay is a casino.  I think your privacy is pretty well fucked in such a place.

Privacy exists on a spectrum, sure. But your privacy is not "fucked" in a hotel. A casino, while on the casino floor...? Sure. But in your room? Why should they search your room? You need to provide a good reason for it before I need to argue against it. If your argument for it is the shooting, then I ask again, is trading privacy, even a limited amount of privacy, worth some false sense of security?

Why not have cameras in the room? Hell, why not body scan every hotel resident?

Funny that people don't want their bags search at a hotel, but have no issue with it when it comes to getting on an airliner.

Boru

So, what, because the TSA (in the States) regularly violates our privacy, we should welcome it such an invasion everywhere else? Nah.

[Brian37]

The hotel isn't responsible for firearms sales, Brian.  No one has said they are.  They weren't sued for selling firearms. 

They were sued for having such stunningly inept security measures that they allowed a guest in their hotel to stockpile an arsenal in two of their rooms.

Boru

So what's the solution? Mandatory room searches in hotel rooms?

I don't want to live in a country where security takes complete and utter precedence over privacy. It's not paranoid to want privacy. It's not a conservative thing. It's human. I don't want people going through my shit, regardless of how innocuous the things I'm carrying are.

I agree, so the Hotel isn't responsible. The firearm CEOs and GOP has set up a long term policy system that allows everyone else to be blamed for their fear marketing which is nothing more than a racket to protect firearm CEO'S profits. 

If America wants less firearm violence, the best solution is for the makers and shops to give a shit how many they make and where they end up by better vetting at the time of sale.

It is a vile argument to me, to have an inefficient and more costly reactionary climate after the fact. 

It costs tax payers more to react than to prevent. And you are right. Even in the private sector. If the argument is to beef up security, and that should apply to any and all businesses, from a profit standpoint, that drives up costs to both the business and the consumer.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You need to provide a good reason for it before I need to argue against it.

52 dead concert-goers in Las Vegas not a good enough reason for you?

Boru

[Brian37]

You need to provide a good reason for it before I need to argue against it.

52 dead concert-goers in Las Vegas not a good enough reason for you?

Boru

An average of 100 firearm deaths per day is not good enough for the firearm worshipers.