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More religious liberty in Ohio
#11
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 4:39 pm)brewer Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 4:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No. The law specifically prevents them from doing so.  The can neither reward nor punish a student for religious content.

Boru

To a teacher with religion what is "calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance"?

2 +2 = 4.  It doesn't equal eight or eleven or the Beatitudes.  For the record, most teachers are very likely religious to a greater or lesser extent, and grading on the basis of religious content has never seemed to be much of an issue.  The law doesn't seem to be damaging, but it does seem to be unnecessary.

Boru
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#12
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 4:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 4:39 pm)brewer Wrote: To a teacher with religion what is "calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance"?

2 +2 = 4.  It doesn't equal eight or eleven or the Beatitudes.  For the record, most teachers are very likely religious to a greater or lesser extent, and grading on the basis of religious content has never seemed to be much of an issue.  The law doesn't seem to be damaging, but it does seem to be unnecessary.

Boru

Guess we'll have to wait and see if it passes and then is tested in the courts.
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#13
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 4:50 pm)brewer Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 4:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 2 +2 = 4.  It doesn't equal eight or eleven or the Beatitudes.  For the record, most teachers are very likely religious to a greater or lesser extent, and grading on the basis of religious content has never seemed to be much of an issue.  The law doesn't seem to be damaging, but it does seem to be unnecessary.

Boru

Guess we'll have to wait and see if it passes and then is tested in the courts.

But there's nothing to test.  Has Ohio been plagued by grading scandals involving students inserting the word 'Jesus' into their exams? 

Boru
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#14
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 4:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 4:50 pm)brewer Wrote: Guess we'll have to wait and see if it passes and then is tested in the courts.

But there's nothing to test.  Has Ohio been plagued by grading scandals involving students inserting the word 'Jesus' into their exams? 

Boru

I think you know it's more than just inserting jesus. And because this religious liberty has never been a law previously (assuming it passes) we don't know if there will be an incident that requires a test.
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#15
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
I absolutely disagree with these shitty allowances that continue to foster these Christianity-based privileges in society, but it seems like it's basically a "it's not what you think, but how you think" which in principle (at least) is a good thing.
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#16
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I absolutely disagree with these shitty allowances that continue to foster these Christianity-based privileges in society, but it seems like it's basically a "it's not what you think, but how you think" which in principle (at least) is a good thing.

It's not fostering a Christianity-based privilege.  It's preventing one.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#17
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I absolutely disagree with these shitty allowances that continue to foster these Christianity-based privileges in society, but it seems like it's basically a "it's not what you think, but how you think" which in principle (at least) is a good thing.

It's not fostering a Christianity-based privilege.  It's preventing one.

Boru

Then the bill should be titled secular liberty. Or not exist at all (this would be best).
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#18
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I absolutely disagree with these shitty allowances that continue to foster these Christianity-based privileges in society, but it seems like it's basically a "it's not what you think, but how you think" which in principle (at least) is a good thing.

It's not fostering a Christianity-based privilege.  It's preventing one.

Boru

Hahahahahahahaha!  No, no..it's okay, you don't understand Ohio (who would?), and that's understandable.  

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Yes, it's explicitly aimed at evangelical conservatives. Yes, it would let them blow jesus all over their tests and claim persecution. Best case scenario, is that it's just a shameless attempt to pander to that demographic ahead of 2020, that will amount to nothing.
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#19
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
I thought that was just DA.
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#20
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
(November 19, 2019 at 7:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It's not fostering a Christianity-based privilege.  It's preventing one.

Boru

Hahahahahahahaha!  No, no..it's okay, you don't understand Ohio (who would?), and that's understandable.  

Wink

Yes, it's explicitly aimed at evangelical conservatives.  Yes, it would let them blow jesus all over their tests and claim persecution.  Best case scenario, is that it's just a shameless attempt to pander to that demographic ahead of 2020, that will amount to nothing.

Hahahahahahahaha!

You should read the bill.  ALL of the bill.  I don't know I can make it any plainer:  It specifically prevents a student from getting a better grade for invoking Jesus (or any other religious idea).

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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