The face veil pre-dates Islam

[WinterHold]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I really don't think Johnson is an Islamophobe, at least not specifically - he's an all-purpose, equal opportunity xenophobe.  He equally and indiscriminately hates and fears anything he doesn't understand (which covers a LOT of ground).

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh good, it's even more primitive than I thought.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, if the veil pre-dates Islam, then Johnson isn't being anti-Muslim, he's being anti-Arab.

And I really, REALLY doubt the claim that many Muslim women go veiled because 'they want to appear modest'.  I think it's much more likely that they go veiled because their patriarchal society is mind-wobblingly insecure.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well, if the veil pre-dates Islam, then Johnson isn't being anti-Muslim, he's being anti-Arab.

And I really, REALLY doubt the claim that many Muslim women go veiled because 'they want to appear modest'.  I think it's much more likely that they go veiled because their patriarchal society is mind-wobblingly insecure.

Boru

And if they don't go veiled they'll be stoned.

[Deesse23]

From wikipedia, repeat after me:


The face veil pre-dates Islam

The face veil pre-dates Islam

From wikipedia, the same article you cited, first paragraph, second sentence, repeat, three times:

According to the majority of Muslim scholars and Islamic schools of thought, face veiling is a requirement of Islam; however a minority of Muslim scholars assert that women are not required to cover their face in public.

Second, many Muslim women choose to wear it because they want to look modest. In other words; they are telling horny men like Donald Trump and Boris to keep out and go satisfy their eyes elsewhere.

This, or somebody could adress the actual problem ("horny men") instead of shifting the burden on the victims (women).

...or those women possibly care less about *horny men* somewhere else (who wouldnt have a chance to look at them anyway) but what a majority of (horny and misogynist?) muslim scholars (mostly men i suppose) are telling them?

According to the majority of Muslim scholars and Islamic schools of thought, face veiling is a requirement of Islam; however a minority of Muslim scholars assert that women are not required to cover their face in public.

Third, why am I not hearing Boris criticizing Jewish funny hats? honestly they look like...no it's not my right to fight somebody over a dress code they chose.

Is it a *choice* to adopt what somebody else telling you is a requirement?

According to the majority of Muslim scholars and Islamic schools of thought, face veiling is a requirement of Islam; however a minority of Muslim scholars assert that women are not required to cover their face in public.

One thing I so look down upon is trying to "change somebody" forcefully.

So you you think "most Muslim scholars" are wrong? Why did you just try to whitewash the history and background of the veil by leaving out what the majority of muslim scholars are wrongly telling women is a requirement to be a muslima?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, if the veil pre-dates Islam, then Johnson isn't being anti-Muslim, he's being anti-Arab.

And I really, REALLY doubt the claim that many Muslim women go veiled because 'they want to appear modest'.  I think it's much more likely that they go veiled because their patriarchal society is mind-wobblingly insecure.

Boru

And if they don't go veiled they'll be stoned.

Again, patriarchal insecurity:  'If people see my wife's face, she'll sleep with them, so I'd better kill her now to save her the shame.'

Boru

[Deesse23]

I think it's much more likely that they go veiled because their patriarchal society is mind-wobblingly insecure.

Boru

No shit!?

I am shocked, to hear that, shocked!

[The Grand Nudger]

Religious traditions are expert appropriators. It shouldn't be surprising to find that some institution preserves whatever bits of society it deems useful. It would be puzzling if they didn't, as their ability to grow and spread powerfully depends on their ability to incorporate and be incorporated by the dominant cultural trends in a region.

Every abrahamic tradition has done this. People are still doing it today, finding ways to work memes onto their sunday service billboards.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think it's much more likely that they go veiled because their patriarchal society is mind-wobblingly insecure.

Boru

No shit!?  

I am shocked, to hear that, shocked!

I know, right?  I was surprised myself to learn a tribe of semi-barbarian nomads with a long tradition of treating women like property might be sexually insecure.

Go figure.

Boru