(January 16, 2020 at 4:09 pm)brewer Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 2:02 pm)sausagerock Wrote: So you seem to have missed my point quite a bit, I'd even say completely. You are saying that what I explain to be metaphors in Bible are examples of magic.

If one is explaining a concept or principle to someone less developed (in this case more evolved civilization to a more primitive minded one) scientific terms are not the way to go for sure. Just like explaining a preschooler where do babies come from, more likely than not, you will use metaphors. That won't make it magic, right? Same thing that Nietzche did as well, or do you see Zaratustra as a fairy tale too, not philosophy?

Yes, this writing by Nietzsche is a fiction fantasy. 

And now you are a human that is making his own twist on a fantasy.

Edit: Most christians take walking on water and raising the dead as literal, not metaphorical. Are they all wrong?

(January 20, 2020 at 9:20 am)sausagerock Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 4:09 pm)brewer Wrote: Yes, this writing by Nietzsche is a fiction fantasy. 

And now you are a human that is making his own twist on a fantasy.

Edit: Most christians take walking on water and raising the dead as literal, not metaphorical. Are they all wrong?

If you think that Nietzsche wrote "fiction fantasy" (I believe it is either fiction or fantasy not both, as each of them include the other in some degree) in Zarathustra then you have missed his point as well or you really don't understand metaphors. I guess I now have the honor to introduce you "philosophical fiction" what Zarathustra really is. If you don't even understand the form of a very simple and down to Earth philosophical writing then of course I don't believe we have a reason to discuss Bible philosophically.

We were not talking about Christians here we're talking about Bible.

(January 20, 2020 at 9:20 am)sausagerock Wrote:

(January 16, 2020 at 4:09 pm)brewer Wrote: Yes, this writing by Nietzsche is a fiction fantasy. 

And now you are a human that is making his own twist on a fantasy.

Edit: Most christians take walking on water and raising the dead as literal, not metaphorical. Are they all wrong?

If you think that Nietzsche wrote "fiction fantasy" (I believe it is either fiction or fantasy not both,

(January 20, 2020 at 9:20 am)sausagerock Wrote: das each of them include the other in some degree) in Zarathustra then you have missed his point as well or you really don't understand metaphors.

(January 20, 2020 at 9:20 am)sausagerock Wrote: I guess I now have the honor to introduce you "philosophical fiction" what Zarathustra really is. If you don't even understand the form of a very simple and down to Earth philosophical writing then of course I don't believe we have a reason to discuss Bible philosophically.

(January 20, 2020 at 9:20 am)sausagerock Wrote: We were not talking about Christians here we're talking about Bible

(January 20, 2020 at 9:35 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, we're not.  You're talking about a simulation.

(January 15, 2020 at 10:58 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 14, 2020 at 8:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My opinion is that invoking 'Westworld', 'Ex Machina' and the idea that we are living in some sort of a 'simulation' doesn't go very far as an attempt to rationalize Christianity.

Boru

I think that it is silly to claim that we are living in some sort of "simulation".  Who, after all, would be the one who is running the simulation?

(January 16, 2020 at 2:45 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(January 14, 2020 at 8:06 pm)sausagerock Wrote: Bible is explanation and instructions given to us by creators in exile, a pretty good Turing test, I would say. 

Or, it's a work of fiction, heavily laden with metaphors, written by humans, to express their etiological beliefs and desires.

As I said, no one is arguing with you over whether metaphors exist, if that's the discussion that you think you've been having.

(January 14, 2020 at 9:00 pm)no one Wrote: You are confusing cognitive thinking with divine intervention. Just because humans have the competence formulate ideas, to rationalize and understand the natural sciences around them, to even use those skills to fabricate instruments to better enhance their survival, in no way, shape, or form points to a wish-granting magic sky fairy.

Human awareness, their intelligence, their ability to perceive, is not a conduit to the divine, it is simply the result of what the species needed to survive. Humans don't have much going for them. They are not particularly strong. They can not run too fast. They are not proficient swimmers. They can't fly. They do not have built-in camouflage. Their eyesight is not top-notch, nor is their hearing, or sense of smell. They are not venomous, They're not poisonous, or even faux-poisonous. They are just the most intelligent creature on the planet. They needed those big brains to out-think the rest fierce and vicious predators they shared the early Earth with. If they did not possess this capability, they would be extinct.

(January 20, 2020 at 3:37 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: We've already agreed that it's a bunch of metaphors - but there aren't any metaphors for simulations, let alone a "lead"...LOL!.... in magic book..because the people who wrote it had no idea what that was or would be.