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By chance?
RE: By chance?
(February 14, 2020 at 10:53 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Replication errors are hardly magical.  There's no typo fairy, either.

Reallly?
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RE: By chance?
(February 10, 2020 at 4:22 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I could explain it to Yukon Jack, but I can't understand it for him  Smile

He doesn't understand because he doesn't WANT to understand.  Dodgy
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RE: By chance?
I go the other way with it. I think that they do. I think that the nutbars who lob objections for a thousand pages leave knowing exactly why those objections were trash. Doesn't change what they believe. At worst, in their estimation...they have it right for the wrong reasons.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: By chance?
(February 9, 2020 at 2:48 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(February 4, 2020 at 11:25 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Lol, I know right!

But, in all seriousness, it'll be made. It's simply going to be probably years later than it's being promised... which is what, end of this year, supposedly, right? With the high-end models projected being finished by like 2024 I think...? Don't quote me on that. To lazy to search DuckDuckGo 'cuz I don't really care enough. But, Musk is notorious for fulfilling his promises; he's also notorious for being way fucking late on fulfilling those promises.

It's not a matter of if the CyberTruk will be made and released to the public, it's a matter of when it will be made and released. And I don't think we'll see it for some years to come.

Lol did you not like the thing? It's weird as fuck, admittedly.

My guess is that the first one will roll off the production lines about a year after the traditional car makers (with their ability to make cars properly) muscle Tesla out of it's market share (which is happening already because of Musk's inability to actually run a company without creaming money off the top, even before the traditional car makers are getting serious about EVs, Tesla's had half of its Californian orders cancelled, the one market where it actually has a market so far), so somewhere between a week and a month before liquidation.
Yeah. Sounds good. I suppose we'll see. I don"t think Tesla's going anywhere.
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RE: By chance?
(February 13, 2020 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Mutations provide ALL THE MATERIAL FOR NEW TRAITS!!!! 

Yes, this is what we've been trying to tell you all along.  But selection is the mechanism whereby random mutations become new traits.  

Boru

So you admit now that luck is really your engine, and that’s what I’ve been telling you!
How bout that


Some here seem to think I don’t know evolution takes forever. Here’s a clue, I know exactly how your Theory works ~~~ I’m calling it in to question likyso many latter day biologists are w the advent of new information.

But did you know how many coexisting systems need to be in place bfor a giraffe is able to live with such a long neck? Heart, blood pressure, leg posture formation etc all have needed to mutate new functionality and LUCK of copy errors is to be championed!
Such luck my friends
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RE: By chance?
The engine of evolution is selection. As many systems as need to be in place for an organism to live will be expected to have been in place if that organism is...wait for it...alive.

When referring to humans, this is called the anthropic principle. It's not remarkable that all the requirements of an existent creature are met, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: By chance?
(February 16, 2020 at 4:11 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote:
(February 13, 2020 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yes, this is what we've been trying to tell you all along.  But selection is the mechanism whereby random mutations become new traits.  

Boru

So you admit now that luck is really your engine, and that’s what I’ve been telling you!
How bout that


Some here seem to think I don’t know evolution takes forever. Here’s a clue, I know exactly how your Theory works ~~~ I’m calling it in to question likyso many latter day biologists are w the advent of new information.

But did you know how many coexisting systems need to be in place bfor a giraffe  is able to live with such a long neck? Heart, blood pressure, leg posture formation etc all have needed to mutate new functionality and LUCK of copy errors is to be championed!
Such luck my friends

Luck (random mutations) is the fuel. Selection is the engine.

Evolution doesn’t take ‘forever’, so you clearly DON’T know how the theory works.

Coexisting systems don’t have to evolve at the same time, nor at the same rate. You seem to think that unless all of the systems you mention popped into existence at the same time that giraffes wouldn’t exist. That’s not how it works.

Boru
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RE: By chance?
Quote:So you admit now that luck is really your engine, and that’s what I’ve been telling you!
How bout that
Nope you still don't get it .No surprise .


Quote:Some here seem to think I don’t know evolution takes forever. Here’s a clue, I know exactly how your Theory works ~~~ I’m calling it in to question likyso many latter day biologists are w the advent of new information.
No you don't know how our FACT works .Your not calling it into question your simply denying it because of ideology.And no mainstream biology accepts evolution as firmly as it did 100 years ago nothing has seriously changed in consensus.The best you and your cult of woo biology has achieved is some blogs and some non peer reviewed pop books and a badly done propaganda film .You're not the new science you are a footnote in evolutionary biologies epic and not even an important one .



Quote:But did you know how many coexisting systems need to be in place bfor a giraffe is able to live with such a long neck? Heart, blood pressure, leg posture formation etc all have needed to mutate new functionality and LUCK of copy errors is to be championed!
Such luck my friends
All false and fallacy.Because it's all you have .

(February 16, 2020 at 4:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 16, 2020 at 4:11 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: So you admit now that luck is really your engine, and that’s what I’ve been telling you!
How bout that


Some here seem to think I don’t know evolution takes forever. Here’s a clue, I know exactly how your Theory works ~~~ I’m calling it in to question likyso many latter day biologists are w the advent of new information.

But did you know how many coexisting systems need to be in place bfor a giraffe  is able to live with such a long neck? Heart, blood pressure, leg posture formation etc all have needed to mutate new functionality and LUCK of copy errors is to be championed!
Such luck my friends

Luck (random mutations) is the fuel. Selection is the engine.

Evolution doesn’t take ‘forever’, so you clearly DON’T know how the theory works.

Coexisting systems don’t have to evolve at the same time, nor at the same rate. You seem to think that unless all of the systems you mention popped into existence at the same time that giraffes wouldn’t exist. That’s not how it works.

Boru
Please stop calling it luck because it really isn't .But you are correct irreducible complexity is a joke .

(February 16, 2020 at 4:18 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The engine of evolution is selection.  As many systems as need to be in place for an organism to live will be expected to have been in place if that organism is...wait for it...alive.

When referring to humans, this is called the anthropic principle.  It's not remarkable that all the requirements of an existent creature are met, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.
Don't you just love his dishonesty mixed with his arrogance

(February 16, 2020 at 4:18 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The engine of evolution is selection.  As many systems as need to be in place for an organism to live will be expected to have been in place if that organism is...wait for it...alive.

When referring to humans, this is called the anthropic principle.  It's not remarkable that all the requirements of an existent creature are met, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.
Don't you just love his dishonesty mixed with his arrogance.Of course creationist so totally expected
"Change was inevitable"


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RE: By chance?
It's not remarkable that all the requirements of an existent creature are met, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.

You forget it’s “unremarkable” that even the simplest of proteins to even come into existence is so improbable that it’s deemed impossible. Quite cavalier of you to dismiss the requirements for a creature, one after another, like marbles in a bowl coming to a very certain rest at the bottom center.
It fits your narrative to base your existence on sheer luck of mutations
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RE: By chance?
(February 16, 2020 at 8:26 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: It's not remarkable that all the requirements of an existent creature are met, when we observe that the creature does, in fact, exist.

You forget it’s “unremarkable” that even the simplest of proteins to even come into existence  is so improbable that it’s deemed impossible. Quite cavalier of you to dismiss the requirements for a creature, one after another, like marbles in a bowl coming to a very certain rest at the bottom center.
It fits your narrative to base your existence on sheer luck of mutations

As an educational aid, I have used your stubborn intransigence, refusal to learn and ideological commitment up to and including blatant lying for my children. Their reaction? "That guy can't be real, nobody is that stupid." 

That is how low you have sunk.
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