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RE: Muslim against music
April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2011 at 2:02 am by ruhollah.)
Hi,
1. In this religion it has been mentioned through the various verses that the message of monotheism has been spread to every nation/culture on the planet. That's why the differences between these various religions is small compared to what the preacher's of each religion claim to be.
In this religion it asserts that it is closest to Judaism and Christianity.
2. Before puberty, the typical youth hasn't matured enough to make decisions on their own. You are absolutely right that there are children who are very mature for their age and can take care of themselves. We are talking about in general the average before-puberty youth. They are like a sponge and they can be guided in the right path or wrong path.
As I mentioned before, this religion is to protect your mind, body and souls to prevent any negative consequences in the future. If you want me to get into specifics I can but ask about it in another thread.
3. This is a valid question, why makes monotheistic religions the standard in morality. As I mentioned you are free to choose what ever lifestyle you want. The monotheistic religions have weathered through the test of time. If there were major issues in its "core" beliefs they wouldn't be the mainstream religions of today.
You may claim that you can make your own morals as you grow up through the years. You might be highly intelligent and lucky to do this without harming yourself or others. However for most people, monotheistic religions is a good guideline to keep you in a stable state so your mind, body and soul isn't harmed.
(April 22, 2011 at 1:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: People should be free in making their own choices. Islam is all about making peace with yourself first and foremost so that you have better relationship with others and you avoid all the bad temptations in life.
1. But 'ruhollah' ALL religions make the same claim EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
Yours is no different to anyone else's including the 'Moonies','Orange People' and any other half baked organisation that found that if they claimed religious status they didn't have to pay taxes and can fleece a gullible public. Yes 'people should be free to make their own choices.' ...
2. please define "People" at what age does a child become this mythical "People" that can make this life determining choice??
Isn't it just a tribal standard that you are advocating here?? I have known many children who have more maturity @ age 5 than "People" have at age 75...what of this situation??
3. Further, what make you so certain that YOU know what is right or wrong for a society (global or otherwise)?
Who died and made you god?
Hi
I mentioned in another thread, that there are powerful-groups/government who hide behind or hijack a religion to keep their people in control.
Read the wiki article again and see what the Quran says.
Furthermore, in case you haven't followed the news... the people of most of these countries are revolting and demanding change.
(April 22, 2011 at 1:36 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: However, if you don't want to live this kind of a lifestyle you are also free to do so. Don't blame a religion just because it was taught to you in the wrong way. Now that you are older, you can make your own choices.
Really?
Then why is Apostasy punishable by death in most muslim countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
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RE: Muslim against music
April 22, 2011 at 2:32 am
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: Read the wiki article again and see what the Quran says.
Furthermore, in case you haven't followed the news... the people of most of these countries are revolting and demanding change.
(April 22, 2011 at 1:36 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (April 22, 2011 at 1:08 am)ruhollah Wrote: However, if you don't want to live this kind of a lifestyle you are also free to do so. Don't blame a religion just because it was taught to you in the wrong way. Now that you are older, you can make your own choices.
Really?
Then why is Apostasy punishable by death in most muslim countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
Those people are revolting against their governments, not their religion.
And if you read that article again you will see that quite a few of those murders (sorry,executions) were carried out by individuals, not governments, who didn't agree with their said governments decisions to not punish the apostates.
So your "religion of peace" is no such thing. For if it was the fundie nutjobs who commit actrocities under its banner would not be able to do so.
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RE: Muslim against music
April 22, 2011 at 2:58 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2011 at 3:11 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: Hi,
1. In this religion it has been mentioned through the various verses that the message of monotheism has been spread to every nation/culture on the planet. That's why the differences between these various religions is small compared to what the preacher's of each religion claim to be.
Abrahamic religions (of any flavour) are not monotheistic for a start. They have not spread to every country on the globe. The preachers claims are a clear attempt at hold down a job that takes no effort on his part, is tax exempt and the government won't interfere with his life style.
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: In this religion it asserts that it is closest to Judaism and Christianity.
Correction islam is a direct rip-off, copycat, con job...of xtianity and judaism and only recent in the religion time line
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: 2. Before puberty, the typical youth hasn't matured enough to make decisions on their own. You are absolutely right that there are children who are very mature for their age and can take care of themselves. We are talking about in general the average before-puberty youth. They are like a sponge and they can be guided in the right path or wrong path.
What makes you think that you are?? Age is no indication ruhollah...and No... 'they not like sponge'... prepubescent people are a writhing mass of hormones and energy...you are just trying to control them...not understand them or guide them for their own benefit
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: As I mentioned before, this religion is to protect your mind, body and souls to prevent any negative consequences in the future. If you want me to get into specifics I can but ask about it in another thread.
And as I have mentioned previously that religion is not to protect, it is to control and enslave both body, mind, and this soul you speak of...it is a total mind fuck that yields no benefit to the 'average' person. And total control to the elite (read... rich, wealthy, ruling class)
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: 3. This is a valid question, why makes monotheistic religions the standard in morality. As I mentioned you are free to choose what ever lifestyle you want. The monotheistic religions have weathered through the test of time. If there were major issues in its "core" beliefs they wouldn't be the mainstream religions of today.
Correction...these Abrahamic religions (masquerading as monotheistic) do not have the sole franchise on morality...quite frankly they are very ammoral as they can be manipulated to suit the ruling class of the time. Abrahamic religions are not moralistic...I'm afraid those who puport to be the guides in these religions are of a most devious and saddistic nature. It is sad that many good people choose to ignore this.
Abrahamic religions are only just 3500years old.... Humanity has been around a lot longer than that and survived quite well with-out the sky-daddy and his minnions.
(April 22, 2011 at 1:55 am)ruhollah Wrote: You may claim that you can make your own morals as you grow up through the years. You might be highly intelligent and lucky to do this without harming yourself or others. However for most people, monotheistic religions is a good guideline to keep you in a stable state so your mind, body and soul isn't harmed.
Correction...the body, mind and this soul thingy is harmed by religion as they are practiced today by the current clergy. If this is what you mean by "stable state" are you inferring that all persons not of YOUR belief system are terminally insane?? Religion has much to answer for in terms of murder, physical violations, mental and psychic violations.
I will conceed that for some people who are too lazy to think... some religious doctrine is of comfort especially when they are complaining about their lot in life...gives a slave something to get out of bed in the morning, eh??? These promises that will never eventuate.... Yup stable life of wishing and not doing, having opportunity thrown at them time and time again and because it was not accompanied by some sky-daddy magic it must have been of the Devil (monotheistic my pink orchid!)
Essentially ruhollar... islam is not better than any other worldview/belief system/ or non-belief. Islam is just the latest in the ongoing coverup of a bunch of goatherders who dared to dream that THEY were the masters...and like their masters they perpetuated and refined the atrocities they accused their masters of doing... hence the bull-crap about the jealous god biatch.
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RE: Muslim against music
April 22, 2011 at 3:48 am
KichigaiNeko,
This religion like other religions (Abrihamic, Hinduisim, Buddisim, ...etc.) is simply a set of morals and guidelines to follow. Clearly, many people in the past hundred of years have found it to work for them.
There is a verse in this religion that issues a challenge.....
Come up with a list of morals/guideline that can be weathered through centuries to keep people in a pure state during both good or turmoil events. And do so with lots of analogy and examples.
No one is controlling no one. As far as this religion is concerned, you have free-will. The Creater has provided a "manual" to the majority of its creation in their own languages one way or another. Some cultures manipulated their manual, some outright ignored them, ...etc. At the end of the day you have the freedom to choose.
You may think relative morality is best for your society in this generation and it may prove successful in the short-run. But in the long run you may want to consider having some sort of manual to keep your grand children safe from negative vibes in society.
Maybe people are lazy to come up with a good set of morals, or maybe all that work they did ended up making a list that closely resembles one of the mainstream religions. Why do you want to reinvent the wheel when the creator of the wheel already issued manuals to everyone?
(April 22, 2011 at 2:58 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Essentially ruhollar... islam is not better than any other worldview/belief system/ or non-belief. Islam is just the latest in the ongoing coverup of a bunch of goatherders who dared to dream that THEY were the masters...and like their masters they perpetuated and refined the atrocities they accused their masters of doing... hence the bull-crap about the jealous god biatch.
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RE: Muslim against music
April 22, 2011 at 4:03 am
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Do as you would be done by
If you are done by as you did...it's YOUR fault!
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RE: Muslim against music
June 10, 2011 at 5:42 pm
He actually does have a point in the fact that a lot of (modern) music being innapropriate. However(comma) if he is saying that all music except grown men singing and little children tapping at their drums and singing Islamic folk songs is bad then he is a very delusional religious person instead of a typical delusional religious person.
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