Does humanity deserve Corona?

[Mr Greene]

(However the Xtians eventually learnt to ignore the idiotic financial restrictions in their scriptures)

They were right to ignore biblical admonitions about wealth if the goal was to end up with a world like the one we have. I'm not convinced that our world is the best of all possible worlds, however. There is a lot to be said for valuing things (like generosity and kindness) that aren't measured with money. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

It is your scriptures that shackle the financial capabilities of the muslims, not anything to do with skin colour or 'imperialism'. 

Do you think that the policies of Britain and the US in the last 200 years or so have served to help Muslim countries? Is the poverty of the poor countries due primarily to their religions?

The economic ineptitude of Islamic countries is a direct result of the rules of Islamic finance. 
That's why India and Singapore became financial powerhouses whilst Pakistan and Bangladesh became basket cases.

[Abaddon_ire]

Hey, talk about yourself, you bigot.

I was talking about myself. 

Sure. Everyone agrees that is what you are. Personally, I try not to be that which is hateful. Apparently you revel in it. Good luck with that.
To others, why are we tolerating this level of cockwomblery?

[Shell B]

This entire thread is based on the probably wildly incorrect assumption that everyone who has died or will die from COVID-19 doesn't give a shit about other horrible things that have happened to people. I've never really dug the whole "Westerners don't give a shit." mantra. Most of us just genuinely can't do anything to help. We're trying to hold our heads above the water. We can't save millions of people.

[Belacqua]

The economic ineptitude of Islamic countries is a direct result of the rules of Islamic finance. 
That's why India and Singapore became financial powerhouses whilst Pakistan and Bangladesh became basket cases.

How would you demonstrate the truth of this? 

Is the "economic ineptitude of Islamic countries" only the result of Islam, or are there any other factors?

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I've never really dug the whole "Westerners don't give a shit." mantra. Most of us just genuinely can't do anything to help. We're trying to hold our heads above the water. We can't save millions of people.

I think it's important to distinguish between the rank-and-file, the citizens, those of us who don't have any political power and the governments. 

US foreign policy is and has been evil. But that doesn't mean that every US citizen equally shares in the blame.

[Deesse23]

Read the OP.

You claimed that humaninty deserved Corona. I asked if some random 600 Italians deserved to die on a given day. Its a simple question, no tricks no nothing. There were several options:

#1 any decent human being would have answered "no", without need of further explanation
#2 an immoral fuck would have answered "yes" and given a terrible excuse
#3 an immoral fuck who is also a coward would have tried to say "yes" without saying *yes*, probably answered the question with a counter querstion as is usually done to avoid answering, because he knows what a fucking immoral coward he is

Lets examine your answer:

how many did die from weapon manufactures in Italy ?

You clearly chose option #3. You refuse to answer a simple question any decent human being could have answered. Instead you are asking a counter question and implying "yes they fucking deserved to die" without actually saying it, so, coward as you are, you can deny to be what you actually are: A fucking immoral coward.

What a pathetic, loathful motherfucker you are. Now whats interesting to most of the people here (at least it is to me) is this, and i am being really honest here: Were you born this evil, did your religion make you this evil, or was it other circumstances?

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I take the tools God gave to me to protect myself. If others needed help,

Liar

I asked if some random 600 italians deserved to die, and your answer was "Yes". You had no intend to help them.

You.are.a.monster. A liar and a coward too. It has been demonstrated over and over and over again. You are as bad as a human being can get without actually comitting a crime. The only thing that keeps you from acting on your convicitons and huring others is the fact that you are a fucking coward.

So please stop pretending to be sitting on a high horse, you are in fact speaking up to us from the gutter of your own horrible beliefs and hate of any human being who is not you or like you.

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How is that a mistake? Do you think that COVID-19 will be better in a Syrian refugee camp? The people that you claim to care about will be more thoroughly fucked than the first world countries will but here you are cheering on the virus. You don't seem to care about them so long as the people that you hate suffer.

Collateral damage. Given the mindset he already displayed, a few million dead musilms arund his corner wouldnt impress him much as well, as long those are suffering he wants to suffer.

He is an immoral coward. Luckily for us, a coward.

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I care about this rotten economical system that resulted from imperialism to change or better: get replaced.

These Syrian refugees were already living in terrible conditions under the maniac Assad; that's why they revolted in the first place; and got betrayed by the first world countries when they wanted to live a normal human life.

The poor that many "claim" to care about are poor because of this imperialistic economic system that gave them hell just for being of a race different than the races that won in the imperialistic World Wars.

And as I see, most of the world don't even care about them, but use them as cheap labor to make new toys like the iphone, or use them in "debates" like this one.

Does the world deserve this virus or not? it is damaging to all; but some of us are already damaged even before it; and their damage was harnessed so others live in luxury. How cold and evil.

You are complaining about others not caring (enough) about those who suffer. At the same time you are saying that some random, innocent persons deserve to die, because...

You are a hypocrite.

[The Valkyrie]

If this is a pubishment from the great celestial dictator against humanity, and he's supposed to be loving, I wonder why he's not targeting the Xis, Trumps, Ayarollahs, and other dictators of the world, instead of killing around 20,000 (so far) randomly selected people around the world?

Seems either his priorities or aim is just a little off.

Perhaps he's gone back to the OT god who slaughtered (according to myth) thousands of innocent children in Egypt as punishment to the Pharaoh (whose heart he had hardened before sending the punishments).

Or perhaps he's utterly inept and can't punish specific individuals.

Or perhaps ge doesn't exust and Covid is just the latest pandemic to sweep the world.

Whichever of the above is true, I wonder why anyone would think the victims deserve it?

[Deesse23]

Whichever of the above is true, I wonder why anyone would think the victims deserve it?

Because that person is a horrible human being, existence of any god notwithstanding.

[WinterHold]

I care about this rotten economical system that resulted from imperialism to change or better: get replaced.

These Syrian refugees were already living in terrible conditions under the maniac Assad; that's why they revolted in the first place; and got betrayed by the first world countries when they wanted to live a normal human life.

The poor that many "claim" to care about are poor because of this imperialistic economic system that gave them hell just for being of a race different than the races that won in the imperialistic World Wars.

And as I see, most of the world don't even care about them, but use them as cheap labor to make new toys like the iphone, or use them in "debates" like this one.

Does the world deserve this virus or not? it is damaging to all; but some of us are already damaged even before it; and their damage was harnessed so others live in luxury. How cold and evil.

So you don't understand economics, but then neither did your prophet/deity or the Xtian's deity. (However the Xtians eventually learnt to ignore the idiotic financial restrictions in their scriptures) It is your scriptures that shackle the financial capabilities of the muslims, not anything to do with skin colour or 'imperialism'. That's why Europe's financial institutions became dominated by Jews and Indian financial institutions are dominated by Hindus.
But doubtless you'll continue to shout at the sky about the inequality the Qu'ran has imposed on you and will continue to do so until one of you grows enough of a spine to say the Qu'ran was written by a moron.
It doubtless never even crossed your mind that the financial system was invented in Lydia, in what is now Turkey.

So the economic crisis of 2008 was caused by Muslim faith ?
A strange and sad point of view the slaves of banks are willing to go through and make a joke out of themselves.

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They were right to ignore biblical admonitions about wealth if the goal was to end up with a world like the one we have. I'm not convinced that our world is the best of all possible worlds, however. There is a lot to be said for valuing things (like generosity and kindness) that aren't measured with money. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.


Do you think that the policies of Britain and the US in the last 200 years or so have served to help Muslim countries? Is the poverty of the poor countries due primarily to their religions?

The economic ineptitude of Islamic countries is a direct result of the rules of Islamic finance. 
That's why India and Singapore became financial powerhouses whilst Pakistan and Bangladesh became basket cases.

All Muslim countries are part of global community, i.e subjects of the laws of the world bank.
Which world do you live in?

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This entire thread is based on the probably wildly incorrect assumption that everyone is has died or will die from COVID-19 doesn't give a shit about other horrible things that have happened to people. I've never really dug the whole "Westerners don't give a shit." mantra. Most of us just genuinely can't do anything to help. We're trying to hold our heads above the water. We can't save millions of people.

COVID-19 is not a plague to human life Shell B; it's a plague to economics.
I repeated many times that damage to the wealth of the rich of this world is more severe to them then damage in life.

The fatcats of wall street and the Oligarchs of the world care about money mostly, and this virus is destructive to their wealth.

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The economic ineptitude of Islamic countries is a direct result of the rules of Islamic finance. 
That's why India and Singapore became financial powerhouses whilst Pakistan and Bangladesh became basket cases.

How would you demonstrate the truth of this? 

Is the "economic ineptitude of Islamic countries" only the result of Islam, or are there any other factors?

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It's not even a result of Islam; all Muslim countries are part of the World Bank which is not Islamic and its laws are not even close to Islam.

[Mr Greene]

The economic ineptitude of Islamic countries is a direct result of the rules of Islamic finance. 
That's why India and Singapore became financial powerhouses whilst Pakistan and Bangladesh became basket cases.

How would you demonstrate the truth of this? 

Is the "economic ineptitude of Islamic countries" only the result of Islam, or are there any other factors?

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The claim was that 'Imperialism' was to blame for economic inequalities. All 4 examples were governed by the same administration, 2 became Islamic republics on Independence, 2 did not. They all form part of the same economic region. The difference is the religious attitude to finance.
Indeed it was the Islamic attitude to finance that led to them become colonies in the first place.
But as per usual for religious apologists we're now seeing a round of goal post shifting.

[Belacqua]

Damage on the internet is mostly psychological; since people in it can't hurt you physically most of the time they will seek to destroy you psychologically. But the two-edged weapon is that people adapt; and that adaptation makes the attack more severe.

People who attack you were probably attacked once, so they repeat the same assault they once tasted against you. Trolls got trolled before; cold fucks got attacked by cold fucks before; and so on.

It becomes a redundant cycle that never end. But that's how the system of the internet got built.

Yes, as Auden said: "Those to whom evil is done / Do evil in return." And it's important to remember that we don't really know anyone posting here -- they could be in bad situations, and get relief by posting their anger, for all we know. 

It seems from history that every new medium of communication is popularized primarily by anger and pornography. And since this isn't a forum for porn.....

Exactly, milking the disaster and mining it for more profit. 

The whole economic system is not even close to being religious; the crisis of 2008 and the oil-war we are seeing now between Russia/Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with religion. Blaming the wrong cause is simply betrayal for all the people who suffer because of this rotten economical system with its bubbles and its oil dependency.

The last time I went to the US I was stuck in the Chicago airport for a long time, and pretty much forced to watch CNN. (The only way to escape it is to pay for overpriced food in a restaurant.) So after so many years of not seeing it, I was struck by the fact that CNN "news" is just obvious Neoliberal propaganda. Completely  shameless. So it's natural that anyone who takes it seriously will be unaware of the economic evils that powerful countries commit. That leaves religion and ethnicity as the easiest things to blame, I guess.

The stance I see moderate and convenient is building a system where everybody believes what they want, even choose the courts they want to judge their attacker, while the state's foreign and internal affairs are judged by Islam.

No state gives that kind of freedom to its citizens but we have archeological and documented evidence that such state did exist in the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

It's tricky, because of course someone who is completely convinced that his system is the best one won't be willing to leave it out of his government. Why should he? I wouldn't expect a scientist to leave his science aside when voting for environmental policy. 

That said, however, as a modern guy I of course want secular institutions. And as a resident of Japan I'm quite aware of how religion can be worked up to serve evil ends. 

But what about the billions they lost because of this?
In my opinion; fortune lost hurts the rich more than anything

I suppose that in an absolute way, someone with more money stands to lose more money. 

But a poor person stands nearer to disaster and homelessness. Bloomberg could lose billions and still not be in danger of having to go without insulin injections (if he needs them). Whereas lots of people in America face ruin. 

It all comes to the actions in Islam's case. If a person commit the deeds condemned by God in the Quran and didn't commit deeds enough to erase them; then their place is decided by God.

Yes, if you put it that way Dante would agree too. With the stipulation that you and I and Dante aren't the ones who decide -- only God knows. 

I think I mentioned earlier that within Christianity there are also variations on this. Neoplatonic Christians have been known to say that hell is a condition brought about by losing knowledge of God. In this view, evil is something we do as the result of being in a hellish condition -- separation from the Good. "Hell" comes first, but not as punishment, and then evil is the result of that.