Is there a contradiction in the Qur'an?

[Peebothuhlu]

The 19th system in the Quran proves that the word of God was found.

   Uhm.. sorry. I really hve no idea what you mean.

The Quran proves the Quran? Maybe?

 Please correct my thinking... but... Isn't the Quran simply the words recorded as related by the Prophet?

So... the diety that you claim exists.... 'Inspired' a single person. Who then transcribed that inspiration?

Have I gotten any of those points wrong or incorrect?

Lets start small, shall we?

 

Not at work.

[The Grand Nudger]

You could certainly try, but assuming that it were - completely freeing you from any responsibility to prove as much.... then the word of god contains internal and external errors.  

Is that a problem for you?  Why, how?

There is no internal or external error in the Qur'an. If you think it's a mistake, let's discuss it.

We are.  I'm pointing out that there's no reason for you to argue or prove that magic book is the word of god.  We'll assume it, and in so doing assume god exists.  There's one complete non starter of an argument out of the way so that we actually can discuss something, anything.

The presence of internal and external errors doesn't matter to me.  If it matters to you, then some explanation of why is in order.  

It would be incredibly difficult to believe that you just hopped on these boards with the intent to have this argument, whatever the specific argument is, without at least preparing yourself in some way by researching common objections and a suitable response (whatever suitable is to you).  

Any argument over whether errors are errors would be
A- Pointless
B- In bad faith
and 
C- Explicit demonstration that internal and external errors in magic book have no probative value for you.  That their presence would not and could not inform your beliefs - and therefore..that their asserted absence is equally uninformative. If it doesn't matter to you, then why would it matter to me? If it does matter to you, and you think that it should matter to me, then we're going to require some exploration of that.

So...for what, the third or fourth time...does it matter, and why does it matter, if so?

If we found no errors in magic book..what should that be taken to mean?
If we did find errors in magic book..what should that be taken to mean?

[brewer]

I prove that the Quran is the word of Allah.

At most you can prove that the quran was written by man/men about a fantasy god that they made for control and manipulation.

The same as any other religion.

[Nay_Sayer]

The 20th system in the holy book of Pastafarianism proves that the word of FSM was found.


Ramen

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The 19th system in the Quran proves that the word of God was found.

   Uhm.. sorry. I really hve no idea what you mean.

The Quran proves the Quran? Maybe?

 Please correct my thinking... but... Isn't the Quran simply the words recorded as related by the Prophet?

So... the diety that you claim exists.... 'Inspired' a single person. Who then transcribed that inspiration?

Have I gotten any of those points wrong or incorrect?

Lets start small, shall we?

 

Not at work.

If I recall correctly (and I don’t guarantee that I do) system 19 is some sort of numerological nonsense. Can’t be arsed to look it up.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

You remember correctly. The number 19 is miraculous, because the odds are just so low...otoh, the chances of my taking the exact shit I took at the exact time I took it in the exact circumstances that it happened is similarly miraculous, if not more so.

Then there's the issue of my morning shit causing the sun to rise.

The irony here, particularly in this thread, is that a believer who thinks that they've just teased out some hidden code in magic book that finally makes it all work....is going to have to grapple with the simultaneous belief that magic book has always been clear instruction and proof to humans, as claimed in magic book.

[Mr Greene]

Did he manage to prove the existence of a zebra yet?

[brewer]

If I recall correctly (and I don’t guarantee that I do) system 19 is some sort of numerological nonsense. Can’t be arsed to look it up.

Boru

I asked Steely Dan, no intelligent response, no dancing, no sex, get drunk and high.

[KuranMumini19]

eebo-Thuhlu
   Uhm.. sorry. I really hve no idea what you mean.

The Quran proves the Quran? Maybe?

 Please correct my thinking... but... Isn't the Quran simply the words recorded as related by the Prophet?

So... the diety that you claim exists.... 'Inspired' a single person. Who then transcribed that inspiration?

Have I gotten any of those points wrong or incorrect?

Lets start small, shall we?
 

Not at work.

If I recall correctly (and I don’t guarantee that I do) system 19 is some sort of numerological nonsense. Can’t be arsed to look it up.

Boru

The system of 19 proves that the Qur'an is the word of God.

Muhammad took the Quran as a revelation by God and wrote it himself on the paper.

Pen Surah 1: Nun, the pen, and what they write. 

[The Grand Nudger]

Let's assume that's true, too. Now we're assuming;

Numerology is legit
God exists
Magic book is the word of god

-and there's still no explanation of why any internal or external error in magic book would matter, not even to you.

Do you think that any of those assumptions above would be false, for example, if there were an internal or external error? Why?