Gay Marriage - are you for or against it and why?

[Dotard]

Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex."[40]

How the hell does that equate to humans are inferior to animals? And again, because it is 'quite common in several species', so what?! What exactly are you attempting to 'prove me wrong' about?

Just to note:

When my male dog jumps another male dog and starts 'humping', he is not exploring his sexuality or looking for hot male on male anal sex. He is attempting to establish his dominance. When one rolls over and submits they do not start playing the Barry Manilow and begin making sweet love. It's about who is the leader of the pack, who is dominate. It's not about sex.

When gay folks are looking for any reason to justify their abnormal behaviors they look at those same two dogs and exclaim "Look! They're fucking! It's natural so it must be 'normal'! Quick! Go put it on WiKi and we can use it as a defense against those horrible, bigoted heterosexuals".

Silly fags, dicks are for chicks!

[Ashendant]

Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex."[40]

How the hell does that equate to humans are inferior to animals? And again, because it is 'quite common in several species', so what?! What exactly are you attempting to 'prove me wrong' about?

Just to note:

When my male dog jumps another male dog and starts 'humping', he is not exploring his sexuality or looking for hot male on male anal sex. He is attempting to establish his dominance. When one rolls over and submits they do not start playing the Barry Manilow and begin making sweet love. It's about who is the leader of the pack, who is dominate. It's not about sex.

When gay folks are looking for any reason to justify their abnormal behaviors they look at those same two dogs and exclaim "Look! They're fucking! It's natural so it must be 'normal'! Quick! Go put it on WiKi and we can use it as a defense against those horrible, bigoted heterosexuals".

Silly fags, dicks are for chicks!

You're misunderstanding the whole thing i'll quote wiki a few more times

According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity — including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex — than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."[4] Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5]

Animals do not care

A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexuality is best known from social species.

It's universal in the animal kingdom(except for those that don't have sex), and the only case i found that specified for dominance is the matriarchal spotted hienas

Some researchers believe this behavior to have its origin in male social organization and social dominance, similar to the dominance traits shown in prison sexuality.

While there are some hints of it being about dominance

Others have argued that social organization theory is inadequate because it cannot account for some homosexual behaviors, for example, penguin species where same-sex individuals mate for life and refuse to pair with females when given the chance.[24][25] While reports on many such mating scenarios are still only anecdotal, a growing body of scientific work confirms that permanent homosexuality occurs not only in species with permanent pair bonds,[17] but also in non-monogamous species like sheep.

And here it clearly says that is not like you say

[8BitAtheist]

I can't say I'm too comfortable with the whole marriage thing as a whole but if two people want do get married they should be allowed to.

[Dotard]

You're misunderstanding the whole thing i'll quote wiki a few more times

No. I'm miss understanding what you are trying to prove here.

Animals do not care

So. What's your point?

...and the only case i found that specified for dominance is the matriarchal spotted hienas

What about the dogs out in your street? Baboons. Chimpanzees. I did see a documentary once where they took a male rat, increased the leves of female rat hormones in it and placed it with other male rats. That rat began hiking it's ass up in the air as a female would looking for a mate. None of the other male rats even attempted to fuck it. They then decreased the female rat hormone, increasing the male hormone and that rat displayed male sexual behaviors again.

Some researchers believe this behavior to have its origin in male social organization and social dominance, similar to the dominance traits shown in prison sexuality.

It's mostly about dominance.

Others have argued that social organization theory is inadequate because it cannot account for some homosexual behaviors, for example, penguin species where same-sex individuals mate for life and refuse to pair with females when given the chance.

Hormonal imbalance.

...here it clearly says that is not like you say.

That it's abnormal behavior? No it doesn't. All it shows is sexual abnormalities exist in the animal kingdom.

My money would ride on the notion it is correctable condition. With a bit of chemical alteration correcting hormone levels and whatnot those behaviors in those animals would cease.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

This is a long way from 'unacceptable bigotry'. It may not be worded in a polite way, but expletives aside it conveys his opinion on male-on-male sex.

Sorry, I meant unacceptable to me. I find that attitude and yours, offensive Dotty . Purely subjective I know,an emotional response,as yours seems to be. I have every right to be offended and to say so.What I do not have is the right NOT to be offended. To me,that means I have no right to expect anyone to change attitudes or behaviour. Here,only moderators can do that. I didn't really expect them to do anything. I just got fed up,and couldn't just let it go yet again.

To be honest, I suspect MY attitude comes from having a gay and much loved sister,and knowing a lot of good, decent gay men.. I've been around that kind of ignorant attitude and vulgar expression all of my adult life.I've seen the way it effects my sister and gay friends of both sexes,and the unjust way gay couples are still treated in my country.So yeah,it pisses me off.But hey, it's a only a subjective response it doesn't really matter. A word of advice; if we should ever meet,perhaps best not to test that belief to my face.

[theVOID]

Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex."[40]

How the hell does that equate to humans are inferior to animals? And again, because it is 'quite common in several species', so what?! What exactly are you attempting to 'prove me wrong' about?

Just to note:

When my male dog jumps another male dog and starts 'humping', he is not exploring his sexuality or looking for hot male on male anal sex. He is attempting to establish his dominance. When one rolls over and submits they do not start playing the Barry Manilow and begin making sweet love. It's about who is the leader of the pack, who is dominate. It's not about sex.

When gay folks are looking for any reason to justify their abnormal behaviors they look at those same two dogs and exclaim "Look! They're fucking! It's natural so it must be 'normal'! Quick! Go put it on WiKi and we can use it as a defense against those horrible, bigoted heterosexuals".

Silly fags, dicks are for chicks!

I agree that it's not 'normal', I just don't care about what they want to do. If two dudes want to fuck let them, if they want to spend their lives together let them do that too, I don't really care and I don't think it should be any motherfucker's business but theirs - I'm not going to treat them any differently for it.

Also, it seems that all the disgust over homosexuality is being directed at gay males and gay sex. What about lesbians? Are they equally disgusting and abnormal? I never hear anyone complain about female-on-female sex. Why the double standard?

Abnormal? Yes. Disgusting? Depends whether or not they have buzz-cuts

[Tiberius]

This conversation should really turn into one about "what is normal?".

Seriously, we're a bunch of atheists who (for the most part) don't believe in objective morality, so what is "normal" must be what people do naturally, or what we can do. I mean, we all think flying through the air in a huge metalic tube is normal behaviour, yet it certainly isn't natural for our species to do. However, because we can do it, we view it differently.

My point is, even if Dotard were correct and homosexuality was just a hormonal inbalance (which studies repeatedly show not to be the case), why would it still be abnormal? Are you telling me a hormonal inbalance (i.e. something that occurs regularly in nature) is abnormal, whilst melting and shaping metal into airplanes and then flying through the sky at insanely fast speeds isn't...

[Dotard]

A word of advice; if we should ever meet,perhaps best not to test that belief to my face.

A threat eh? If we ever meet I shouldn't be honest in my discussions for fear you may punch me in the face? I need to tippy-toe around the subject of homos if it is brought up in discussions?

Ah... No. 'Tis a shame you sling those threats from 1/2 way around the world.
Please, if you are ever in the vicinity of South Texas, look me up. I'd be more than happy to "test that belief" not just to piss you off but to test that threat of yours.

Bring it old man.

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Since that little bullshit has been responded to, do you have anything relevant to the discussion to add?

[Edwardo Piet]

I support Gay Marriage because I'm not a bigot.

[Dotard]

I don't think the airplane analogy quite works. One is utilizing inventions of man, one is behaviors. They just don't compare.

I maintain it is normal for a human male to look down, grab a handful of penis and say; "Wow! Look at that. I can really thrash it around there. I need to find me a hole to put this in! Hey Sally! Can you come here for a minute? I want to show you something."

It is not normal for a human male to look down, grab a handful of penis and say "Boy oh boy! I sure would like to have one of these shoved up my bung-hole!"


Some interesting reading:

http://www.neoteny.org/neoteny/a/homosexuality.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1267577

http://articles.cnn.com/2000-03-29/healt...=PM:HEALTH

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I support Gay Marriage because I'm not a bigot.

False dichotomy.