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RE: God Exits
May 31, 2020 at 8:32 pm
(May 30, 2020 at 11:40 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: First explanation. Ultimately, nonbeing produced being. The problem with this explanation should be obvious. How could nonbeing produce being? What would be producing it? Nonbeing is the absence of any kind of existence.
Second explanation. Something is past-eternal. This something could be the universe, multiverse, or one of its constituents. Or it could be something else entirely. Let's call it X. X would need to exist and there was never a point where the proposition "X exists" was false.
False dichotomy.
It is entertaining that you think an eternal deity is a more logically sound explanation than being arising from non-being. Have you considered the possibility that the beginning of the universe is almost certainly going to be counterintuitive and that you really ought to stop trying to apply common sense to the least common of events? If you ask meaningless questions you get answers like "42" or "God".
And I really wish that you lot could find something more interesting than reheated Craig to annoy us with.
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RE: God Exits
May 31, 2020 at 8:36 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 8:32 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (May 30, 2020 at 11:40 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: First explanation. Ultimately, nonbeing produced being. The problem with this explanation should be obvious. How could nonbeing produce being? What would be producing it? Nonbeing is the absence of any kind of existence.
Second explanation. Something is past-eternal. This something could be the universe, multiverse, or one of its constituents. Or it could be something else entirely. Let's call it X. X would need to exist and there was never a point where the proposition "X exists" was false.
False dichotomy.
It is entertaining that you think an eternal deity is a more logically sound explanation than being arising from non-being. Have you considered the possibility that the beginning of the universe is almost certainly going to be counterintuitive and that you really ought to stop trying to apply common sense to the least common of events? If you ask meaningless questions you get answers like "42" or "God".
And I really wish that you lot could find something more interesting than reheated Craig to annoy us with. Which is why i say we ignore the Craig clone he's got nothing
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RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 8:56 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 6:46 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 4:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: This is getting a tad "meta".
William Lane Craig is a christian apologist.
BustedTailight is thus an apologist for an apologist.
It's turtles all the way down.
Good old infinite regress, ya gotta love it. And now you know why i don't want to debate him . No. I think you are aware as am I that there is no rational discourse to be had with this level of superstitious crap. I cannot speak for you, obviously, but I find as I age that my tolerance for this BS is inversely decreasing. Now I often wonder why I should even bother anymore. I am aging and getting tired, what is the point of flogging this dead deity? And then I hear about the latest outrage perpetrated against my transgender eldest child and find myself re-invigourated.
Wanna know what is most interesting about that? It is always the religious bigots who cause a problem. Isn't that interesting in a disgusting kind of way.
(May 31, 2020 at 6:46 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: If i wanted to hear Billy's lame ass apologetics why would i listen to some puppet repeating them rather then go to the man himself ? It's not like he's bringing anything unique . WLC is an abject liar for jebus. He has no shame. Any god botherer that inserts WLC into any debate has already lost. Fukkem.
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RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 9:08 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 8:56 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 6:46 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: And now you know why i don't want to debate him . No. I think you are aware as am I that there is no rational discourse to be had with this level of superstitious crap. I cannot speak for you, obviously, but I find as I age that my tolerance for this BS is inversely decreasing. Now I often wonder why I should even bother anymore. I am aging and getting tired, what is the point of flogging this dead deity? And then I hear about the latest outrage perpetrated against my transgender eldest child and find myself re-invigourated.
Wanna know what is most interesting about that? It is always the religious bigots who cause a problem. Isn't that interesting in a disgusting kind of way.
(May 31, 2020 at 6:46 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: If i wanted to hear Billy's lame ass apologetics why would i listen to some puppet repeating them rather then go to the man himself ? It's not like he's bringing anything unique . WLC is an abject liar for jebus. He has no shame. Any god botherer that inserts WLC into any debate has already lost. Fukkem. Fair enough
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RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 9:20 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:08 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 8:56 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: No. I think you are aware as am I that there is no rational discourse to be had with this level of superstitious crap. I cannot speak for you, obviously, but I find as I age that my tolerance for this BS is inversely decreasing. Now I often wonder why I should even bother anymore. I am aging and getting tired, what is the point of flogging this dead deity? And then I hear about the latest outrage perpetrated against my transgender eldest child and find myself re-invigourated.
Wanna know what is most interesting about that? It is always the religious bigots who cause a problem. Isn't that interesting in a disgusting kind of way.
WLC is an abject liar for jebus. He has no shame. Any god botherer that inserts WLC into any debate has already lost. Fukkem. Fair enough
Sorry but WLC just winds me the fuck up to hell and back. Particularly his imitation of the supposed mannerisms of the strangely white caucasian jesus he espouses.
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RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 9:34 pm
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(May 31, 2020 at 9:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:08 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Fair enough
Sorry but WLC just winds me the fuck up to hell and back. Particularly his imitation of the supposed mannerisms of the strangely white caucasian jesus he espouses. Oh i get it . He's a slimy two faced snake and an utter trash thinker .But i don't let it get to me . Because i know he's garbage and his idea's are garbage .It's beating a dead horse and it's not worth anyone's time .Anyway that's enough about him and his muppet boy .
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RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 10:13 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:34 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Sorry but WLC just winds me the fuck up to hell and back. Particularly his imitation of the supposed mannerisms of the strangely white caucasian jesus he espouses. Oh i get it . He's a slimy two faced snake and an utter trash thinker .But i don't let it get to me . Because i know he's garbage and his idea's are garbage .It's beating a dead horse and it's not worth anyone's time .Anyway that's enough about him and his muppet boy .
Well, for me it started with the simple reality that theology is not a science no matter how much theologists protest that simple fact. WLC thinks otherwise for reasons, you know, reasons. REASONS.
He is an idiot.
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RE: God Exists
June 1, 2020 at 5:58 am
A blorp by definition is an entity that consumes gods.
It exists on a massive scale and contains an infinite number of infinities.
No gods can exist in universes where blorps exist.
If a blorp exists in one possible universe, they exist in all possible universes.
Thus by definition, gods cannot exist.
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RE: God Exists
June 1, 2020 at 6:27 am
(May 31, 2020 at 12:21 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 4:05 am)Grandizer Wrote: Then why assume there was anything other than material before the universe ?
Because we're talking about all physicality. A physical reality producing all physical reality is a logical contradiction.
Who said it "produced" anything. An eternal universe is a state of being.
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RE: God Exists
June 1, 2020 at 7:10 am
By "physical reality" I can only assume he means this universe as we see it? If we're positing fairies to explain the inexplicable, shouldn't we pick something inexplicable, or, at least unexplained?
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