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black people 450 years a slave?!!?
#21
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
A quick Google search will take you to lists of Native American protests. Many are with regard to attempts to uphold treaties and to protect Tribal Land. Those events don't take place so much in downtown areas where there are stores and business to loot and pillage.

The Native Americans are usually concerned with protecting the land, for instance where pipelines are to be laid that will disrupt the natural environment. These Native Americans are often pushed back with brutal measures. There are too few to gather up thousands of people in multiple areas as is happening right now across the country following the murder of Mr. Floyd.

I think there is still a lot of confusion on the part of some as to the difference between a protest and a riot. They are not the same though a protest can definitely devolve into a riot.

If you want to see some disparity in how things are between the Native Americans and the rest of the local population all you have to do is take a drive up into Oklahoma. Unless you are at one of the casinos you will see abject poverty all around with all the ills that come with it.

The Native Americans have been, and still are, treated horribly as a rule in America. What voices they have remain mostly unheard. You aren't going to see Oprah doing a bunch of interviews on multiple TV channels as was on last night. The Native Americans don't have someone with that sort of bully pulpit.
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#22
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
(June 10, 2020 at 9:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 10, 2020 at 9:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I am NOT missing history. 

"Reservation" back then was a form of segregation as much as separate black schools and water fountains and bathrooms and busses were with blacks and whites.

But if Drich is going to stupidly ask why Natives today are not rioting or looting it is a complete non sequitur.

Between Blacks an Natives, which whites are still fucking over respectively, Natives still have far more control over what little we whites have left them.

"Reservation" is nothing more than a historical word white history has used to say, "Yea, we stole your land, get over it".

If we were being honest about the word "Reservation" then why didn't white Europeans reserve the land occupied by Natives before we stole it from them?

I didn’t say you were ‘missing history’. In fact, I said you were correct about what reservations were. I was just pointing out that reservations today aren’t forced segregation, because no one is forced to live on them. Good thing, since - as I understand it - the conditions on a lot of the reservations are appalling.

I think your comparison with water fountains, etc, is a little off. A better analogy might be the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

Boru

Reservations started out as forced segregation. And for that matter the fossil fuel industry is still to this day shitting on their tribal land. Trump and the GOP are constantly trying to rape any land, to get the fossil fuel industry what they want.  Just like the GOP  doesn't give a fuck about the air or water quality in Flint Michigan.

Others in this thread besides me have rightfully pointed out to Drich that you cannot compare the reaction of blacks historically to the reaction of Native Americans historically. 

It is as stupid as when whites try to argue that blacks should always act like Martin Luther King Jr vs Malcolm X. 

Maybe it is up to whites to just shut up and listen and learn and not judge?
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#23
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
That for more than four-hundred and fifty years white people have been a problem. Now that is the number upon which focusing is worth.
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#24
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
You can be non racist without shitting all over yourself for being white.




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#25
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
Sandra Bland died in police custody because an asshole officer decided to arrest her over a mere traffic violation. 

But being white has it's perks.



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Natives most definitely have resisted violently . They just choose different battles .
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stop.
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RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
Most will date slavery in north america to contact in the west indies, which is also where a good few of the native slaves that get figured in come from.

The problem isn't even white people. The problem is that for all of that time there's been a perverse incentive to the exploitation of our fellow man. It's not coincidental that the history of slavery in north america is the history of sugar, cotton, and early multinational corporations. You're stuck in the same stupid trap, Drich. Get a clue and stop carrying water for the people who would put you under it.
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RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
Skin color matters not, a douchebag is a douchebag is a douchebag. Plain and simple.
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#30
RE: black people 450 years a slave?!!?
(June 10, 2020 at 9:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 10, 2020 at 9:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I didn’t say you were ‘missing history’. In fact, I said you were correct about what reservations were. I was just pointing out that reservations today aren’t forced segregation, because no one is forced to live on them. Good thing, since - as I understand it - the conditions on a lot of the reservations are appalling.

I think your comparison with water fountains, etc, is a little off. A better analogy might be the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

Boru

Reservations started out as forced segregation.

I know.  You've already said this twice and I've already agreed with you twice.

Boru
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