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Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
(July 12, 2020 at 11:42 am)polymath257 Wrote: It is a beautiful building, scavenged by Christians from a number of pagan temples, made into a mosque when the Byzantine empire fell, and then into a museum under Attaturk.

It is too bad if the general public is going to be denied entry into this wonderfully historic place. On the other hand, people regularly visit the Blue Mosque, which is just across from the Hagia Sophia. I hope that continues as well.

As for Erodgan, he is destroying the secular society founded by Attaturk (who had his own problems, admittedly). I grieve for the historical and cultural treasures of Turkey.

It was already converted into a mosque but this ruling means that it will no longer be a tourist attraction museum which highlights the history but will instead have muslim prayers and worshippers
sad for the world heritage site
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
(July 12, 2020 at 8:57 pm)masoni Wrote:
(July 12, 2020 at 11:42 am)polymath257 Wrote: It is a beautiful building, scavenged by Christians from a number of pagan temples, made into a mosque when the Byzantine empire fell, and then into a museum under Attaturk.

It is too bad if the general public is going to be denied entry into this wonderfully historic place. On the other hand, people regularly visit the Blue Mosque, which is just across from the Hagia Sophia. I hope that continues as well.

As for Erodgan, he is destroying the secular society founded by Attaturk (who had his own problems, admittedly). I grieve for the historical and cultural treasures of Turkey.

It was already converted into a mosque but this ruling means that it will no longer be a tourist attraction museum which highlights the history but will instead have muslim prayers and worshippers
sad for the world heritage site

We have many cathedrals in Germany, and of course they are used for mass. Yet, they are open for tourists, bar x-mas or easter, and during each routine church service access is limited..
Inside (in the catacombs for example) or next to the cathedral are museums attached with lots of findings placed there. I think this is a compromise worthwhile.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#13
RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
(July 12, 2020 at 8:57 pm)masoni Wrote:
(July 12, 2020 at 11:42 am)polymath257 Wrote: It is a beautiful building, scavenged by Christians from a number of pagan temples, made into a mosque when the Byzantine empire fell, and then into a museum under Attaturk.

It is too bad if the general public is going to be denied entry into this wonderfully historic place. On the other hand, people regularly visit the Blue Mosque, which is just across from the Hagia Sophia. I hope that continues as well.

As for Erodgan, he is destroying the secular society founded by Attaturk (who had his own problems, admittedly). I grieve for the historical and cultural treasures of Turkey.

It was already converted into a mosque but this ruling means that it will no longer be a tourist attraction museum which highlights the history but will instead have muslim prayers and worshippers
sad for the world heritage site

The simple fact that worship occurs there doesn't mean it won't be accessible to non-believers. I visited the Blue Mosque, even though I am an atheist. They didn't ask.
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
(July 12, 2020 at 6:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This is actually a relief. The world clearly has a dearth of houses of worship and a glut of museums. Finally, Turkish Muslims have something they’ve never had before - a place to pray.

Boru

church or mosque. same irrational shit.
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
This conversion would presumably entail taking out all the exhibits and art so the building is totally gutted of interest, installing a washroom for WUDU and voila! A big boring vacant waste of space where people can mutter inane ramblings to an equally vacant god! Suberb! tut tut
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
Relevant link: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/...ppens-now/

"The Turkish government has stated that, although Muslim religious services will resume at the site, it will remain open to visitors of all nationalities and faiths—much like the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, which has been an active Catholic church as well as a major tourist attraction and UNESCO World Heritage Site. Erdogan’s spokespeople have also stated that Christian iconography inside the Hagia Sophia will continue to be preserved as it has been since the 1930s."
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
The building is in Turkey. It's a Turkish property that only the Turkish people get to say what to do with it.

In Spain, Christians converted lots of mosques into Churches, like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_..._de_la_Luz

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giralda#Co..._cathedral

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_...er%C3%ADas

(the insult to the Islamic faith is that this mosque was converted into an inn first)

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Just like the mosques of Muslims are demolished and turned to inns in the conquered lands of non-Muslims, Muslims have the right too to return the favor and turn the temples of non-Muslims into mosques if the public demanded in their homelands.

Aren't you Egyptian? Great Britain has mummies stolen from Egypt, go reclaim them instead of barking about the Turkish success.
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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
Quote:The building is in Turkey. It's a Turkish property that only the Turkish people get to say what to do with it.
Yup property you stole by the sword 

Quote:In Spain, Christians converted lots of mosques into Churches, like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_..._de_la_Luz

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giralda#Co..._cathedral

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_...er%C3%ADas

(the insult to the Islamic faith is that this mosque was converted into an inn first)
Spain you mean that country you invaded and conquered then the Christians took back  


Quote:Just like the mosques of Muslims are demolished and turned to inns in the conquered lands of non-Muslims, Muslims have the right too to return the favor and turn the temples of non-Muslims into mosques if the public demanded in their homelands
Only difference being your the aggressor in both Spain and Constantinople, And that's just fucking petty .  


Quote:Aren't you Egyptian? Great Britain has mummies stolen from Egypt, go reclaim them instead of barking about the Turkish success.
I don't know go talk to your muslim brethren about all pre islamic site you have destroyed and looted over the years
"Change was inevitable"


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RE: Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque
(July 13, 2020 at 4:20 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:The building is in Turkey. It's a Turkish property that only the Turkish people get to say what to do with it.
Yup property you stole by the sword
No. I intended to bring only the sites that were originally built as mosques.
Quote:Spain you mean that country you invaded and conquered then the Christians took back 

Just like the Spanish did to America. But we Muslims left the Spanish alive in their day.
Quote:Only difference being your the aggressor in both Spain and Constantinople, And that's just fucking petty . 

No. The Byzantine empire initiated the assault on Muslims and initiated the invasion of Arabic lands, a war so long that ended in their defeat and the sack of their capital -Constantinople-.
Quote:I don't know go talk to your muslim brethren about all pre islamic site you have destroyed and looted over the years

No we Muslims don't do that. We invaded Egypt long ago but you still see the pyramids; right?
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