Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque

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[ido]

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There have been some alarming developments in Turkey over the course of the past few years. Hardliners in the Turkish government have been promoting ministers and officers who are devout Muslims. These people are openly scornful of the secular nature of the Turkish political system and it's no secret that they want to consolidate power and set the clock back 100 years, and if they get their way, it'll happen. It's a terrible shame that the coup failed. Things would be infinitely better if it had been successful.

That coup in Turkey failed because the majority of people wanted Erdogan. Turkish people are far well educated than their counterparts in Egypt -who wasted their revolution by handing the country back to the army post 2011-.

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Egypt ?! who cares !
What possible reason could there be to take such a step? Anybody who has ever been there knows that there are half a dozen mosques within a kilometre of the Hagia Sophia, so it's not as though they're in desperate need of more. The only reason anybody could offer up is this: The Turkish government is sending an unmistakable message.They are saying "Turkey is a Muslim country, we may say that we're secular, but we're really no different from any other Islamic republic."

[The Architect Of Fate]

That coup in Turkey failed because the majority of people wanted Erdogan. Turkish people are far well educated than their counterparts in Egypt -who wasted their revolution by handing the country back to the army post 2011-.

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My view towards science is that it's best utilized and practiced by all humans together; not just a portion of society. Under this view I treasure the "Open Source" method of spreading knowledge.

Science in its image today is a collaboration of cultures. The Church didn't believe in that and its actions prove it, but Muslims opened their universities for all; even non-Muslims. That's why the Church fell; and Muslims ruled in that era.

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[ido]

If you've ever been to Turkey, you know that there are three very big problems there. Number One is the urban/rural divide - that really puts a wedge between people... Number Two is the divide between eastern and western Turkey... And Number Three is the delicate balance between the religious and the secular segments of the population. Put those things together and you have a very bad situation, a very divided people and the conditions for a large-scale confrontation between people who take opposing sides on these things.

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That coup in Turkey failed because the majority of people wanted Erdogan. Turkish people are far well educated than their counterparts in Egypt -who wasted their revolution by handing the country back to the army post 2011-.

T

Egypt ?! who cares !
What possible reason could there be to take such a step? Anybody who has ever been there knows that there are half a dozen mosques within a kilometre of the Hagia Sophia, so it's not as though they're in desperate need of more. The only reason anybody could offer up is this: The Turkish government is sending an unmistakable message.They are saying "Turkey is a Muslim country, we may say that we're secular, but we're really no different from any other Islamic republic."

I care. This is a multi-cultural forum.

The Turkish people want it a mosque. They voted for it to be a mosque. So it's an internal Turkish affair.
The Turkish people voted, so why do you care? their country; their rule.

[ido]

Egypt ?! who cares !
What possible reason could there be to take such a step? Anybody who has ever been there knows that there are half a dozen mosques within a kilometre of the Hagia Sophia, so it's not as though they're in desperate need of more. The only reason anybody could offer up is this: The Turkish government is sending an unmistakable message.They are saying "Turkey is a Muslim country, we may say that we're secular, but we're really no different from any other Islamic republic."

I care. This is a multi-cultural forum.

The Turkish people want it a mosque. They voted for it to be a mosque. So it's an internal Turkish affair.
The Turkish people voted, so why do you care? their country; their rule.

Plainly and simply, the people in the smaller cities, towns, and villages in the eastern part of the country who tend to be more traditional don't have any respect for the people living in the cities and towns in western Turkey who tend to be more progressive. It comes down to politics, money, and of course a situation where people are vying to be the driving force in the collective national identity. It's a powder keg and it's going to go off in the very near future. This appeasement of the hardliners who are looking to bring Islam back into Turkish politics is bad for everybody. It's bad for Turks and it's bad for everybody else too. 

It's a terrible shame that the coup failed. Things would be infinitely better today if the faction that instigated it had managed to depose Erdogan.

[WinterHold]

If you've ever been to Turkey, you know that there are three very big problems there. Number One is the urban/rural divide - that really puts a wedge between people... Number Two is the divide between eastern and western Turkey... And Number Three is the delicate balance between the religious and the secular segments of the population. Put those things together and you have a very bad situation, a very divided people and the conditions for a large-scale confrontation between people who take opposing sides on these things.

But the Turkish people -along with their parties- voted.
So, internal Turkish affair. You can join your resisting vote to the Vatican though, Greece and France.

But it's an internal Turkish affair.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If you've ever been to Turkey, you know that there are three very big problems there. Number One is the urban/rural divide - that really puts a wedge between people... Number Two is the divide between eastern and western Turkey... And Number Three is the delicate balance between the religious and the secular segments of the population. Put those things together and you have a very bad situation, a very divided people and the conditions for a large-scale confrontation between people who take opposing sides on these things.

But the Turkish people -along with their parties- voted.
So, internal Turkish affair. You can join your resisting vote to the Vatican though, Greece and France.

But it's an internal Turkish affair.

But was there a vote, though? I understood that Erdogan did this via a decree.

Boru

[ido]

If you've ever been to Turkey, you know that there are three very big problems there. Number One is the urban/rural divide - that really puts a wedge between people... Number Two is the divide between eastern and western Turkey... And Number Three is the delicate balance between the religious and the secular segments of the population. Put those things together and you have a very bad situation, a very divided people and the conditions for a large-scale confrontation between people who take opposing sides on these things.

But the Turkish people -along with their parties- voted.
So, internal Turkish affair. You can join your resisting vote to the Vatican though, Greece and France.

But it's an internal Turkish affair.

The Hagia Sophia is nearly 1,500 years old. It's a world heritage site. It's one of the most visited places in Turkey. The structure doesn't only belong to Turks, but belongs to all of humanity. It's complete sacrilege and total madness to re-consecrate the building as a mosque.

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I care. This is a multi-cultural forum.

The Turkish people want it a mosque. They voted for it to be a mosque. So it's an internal Turkish affair.
The Turkish people voted, so why do you care? their country; their rule.

Plainly and simply, the people in the smaller cities, towns, and villages in the eastern part of the country who tend to be more traditional don't have any respect for the people living in the cities and towns in western Turkey who tend to be more progressive. It comes down to politics, money, and of course a situation where people are vying to be the driving force in the collective national identity. It's a powder keg and it's going to go off in the very near future. This appeasement of the hardliners who are looking to bring Islam back into Turkish politics is bad for everybody. It's bad for Turks and it's bad for everybody else too. 

It's a terrible shame that the coup failed. Things would be infinitely better today if the faction that instigated it had managed to depose Erdogan.

Who cares?
What authenticity does your "prophecies" have?

The voting box talk, numbers talk.