That Gay Thread

[Huggy Bear]

Nope, not wanting a relationship with a Trans person is not in itself transphobic. So no it is that simple

Are you in disagreement with the Trans community? You're starting to head towards the transphobic side of the fence...

[The Architect Of Fate]

Are you in disagreement with the Trans community? 

I know tons of Trans people who totally fine with CIS people not wanting to date Trans people. The Trans community is not a monolith.

You're starting to head towards the transphobic side of the fence...

Nope unless all the Trans people I know are also Transphobes. And I would have no issue dating a Transperson myself I might add.

[LadyForCamus]

When I was a gosssoon, in the 1960's 'the olds' (people over about 30)  would often complain about blokes with long hair. Their cri de coeur  was "you can't tell if it's a boy or a girl".  As testosterone driven  I was, I never had the slightest difficulty.

These days my answer is exactly the same as he/she who says "I'm offended by X Y or Q": So fucking what?

So far I've spent almost no time in discussing what I think should be a non issue. In the US I suspect the right of the LBQT person is protected by the First Amendment.

 I really could not give a flying furry farnarckle what other people choose to do with their genitalia and plumbing.

If it were only that simple.
Trans women say they are "real" women, which means they want relationships with straight men like real women.  If you're not down with that as a straight male, then you're just plain transphobic, like they called Ginuwine after he rejected the advances of a Trans woman.

I’m still waiting for you to tell us what you’ve learned from reading through the available body of scientific literature on the subject, which is obviously a more accurate assessment of said subject than one or two people’s personal opinions, no matter who they are. We aren’t even talking about what does or doesn’t constitute transphobia right now. Why are you veering off into another direction? Whether or not a straight man is comfortable having a sexual relationship with trans women, and whether or not a straight man’s feelings on the matter constitute transphobia have absolutely nothing to do with the actual existence of trans women. Your point is a non-sequitur. Very telling that you’ll take the time to sift through YouTube videos in search of some “gotcha” clip, but you won’t take the time to familiarize yourself with the body of scientific evidence on the matter. Your methodology for understanding transgenderism is biased and flawed. Go do some actual research (you’ve had like, three days now) and try again.

[Irreligious Atheist]

@Huggy Bear

So, now that you’ve had a couple of days to familiarize yourself with the current body of evidence on this subject that you seem to have quite strong feelings about, go ahead and tell us what you’ve learned.

I pretty much have a thesis planned which exposes the clear agenda as it relates to LBGT vs blackness, no lies will be told, just straight facts.

Before all that, I have a question for you. Since we seem to disagree on definitions, if a straight male has sex with a Trans female (still for all intents and purposes male sexually), do you consider that to be homosexual sex?

It is homosexual sex as in it's a same-sex couple having sex. Homo = same sex. Some trans people actually think they can change sex though, which I don't agree with. Some acknowledge that they can't change sex, but they still don't want to call it gay sex for whatever reason, and personally, I respect that, and I'll call it what they want to call it, but technically, yes, you are right. It is same sex attraction. It is sex between two people of the same sex.

I don't think the person who responded to you was saying sex and gender are the same. I think they are saying that the definition of sexual orientation has now evolved for them, because they're going to use the term that doesn't hurt the other person's feelings, whether it is technically correct or not, so therefore they label it as not gay. I assume this is why we're hearing the new term "same-gender loving" more and more now, because they want to emphasize the gender part rather than making orientation be be about sex which it has been traditionally.

[brewer]

I really could not give a flying furry farnarckle what other people choose to do with their genitalia and plumbing.

I care about who and how a specific subset chooses to use theirs on others.

[Silver]

What's with all the gay hate in the UK lately?

The statistics are clear – hate crime is on the rise all across the UK – but Birmingham is quickly becoming the physical manifestation of those frightening figures. Keeble’s charity is “very concerned” by what’s going on.

Birmingham’s LGBT+ community ‘doesn’t feel safe on the streets’ after spate of homophobic attacks
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/13/bi...-kesseler/

[Rev. Rye]

@Huggy Bear

So, now that you’ve had a couple of days to familiarize yourself with the current body of evidence on this subject that you seem to have quite strong feelings about, go ahead and tell us what you’ve learned.

I pretty much have a thesis planned which exposes the clear agenda as it relates to LBGT vs blackness, no lies will be told, just straight facts.

Before all that, I have a question for you. Since we seem to disagree on definitions, if a straight male has sex with a Trans female (still for all intents and purposes male sexually), do you consider that to be homosexual sex?

I don't. I just consider it an odd kink that I, honestly, don't share. While looking for other opinions on the subject, I came across this Dan Savage advice column where he talks to a man questioning his sexuality after banging a trans sex worker, and he said this:

If nothing I’ve said has made you feel better, WSOWS, maybe this will: gay men don’t hire trans women sex workers. Wanting to be with a woman who has a dick is an almost exclusively straight-male kink/obsession/wild side. Gay men are into dick, of course, but what we’re really into is dudes. There are gay men out there who date and fuck and shack up with trans men—men with pussies—so not all gay men are after dick. What we’re all after is dude.

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If it were only that simple.
Trans women say they are "real" women, which means they want relationships with straight men like real women.  If you're not down with that as a straight male, then you're just plain transphobic, like they called Ginuwine after he rejected the advances of a Trans woman.

Frankly, this reeks of the old saw that men are always eager to have sex with every woman they encounter to me, and it's more than a little disappointing that people who aren't straight men are falling into that rhetorical trap.

[The Grand Nudger]

You asking for a friend, or what, Hugs?

[brewer]

What's with all the gay hate in the UK lately?

The statistics are clear – hate crime is on the rise all across the UK – but Birmingham is quickly becoming the physical manifestation of those frightening figures. Keeble’s charity is “very concerned” by what’s going on.

Birmingham’s LGBT+ community ‘doesn’t feel safe on the streets’ after spate of homophobic attacks
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/13/bi...-kesseler/

Is there a new Sharīf in town?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Before all that, I have a question for you. Since we seem to disagree on definitions, if a straight male has sex with a Trans female (still for all intents and purposes male sexually), do you consider that to be homosexual sex?

People can define the relationship by their gender, not their sex. So in that sense, they are not in a same-sex relationship.