[Remember]: how the Spanish infedels treated Muslims

[The Architect Of Fate]

No; I referred to the horrors caused by many Muslims across history; but also referred to the terrible amounts of horrors practiced by non-Muslims like Vlad The Impaler.

Vlad Tepes . You mean the man who was kidnapped by the Ottoman Turks and held as hostages by them to ensure that Wallachia remained a vassal state . Yeah sure that did nothing mess him up mentally

[arewethereyet]

Oh yes, let us focus on Vlad the Impaler.

Get some help Atlas...you have lost what was left of your mind.

[Fireball]

I've just read the last 5 pages of this. Winterhold, you are due for an avatar change. You may use this one, free of charge.

[Deesse23]

And yet you routinely seek to justify the horrors committed by Muslims by pointing to the horrors committed by non-Muslims.

This makes you a steaming great hypocrite.

Boru

No; I referred to the horrors caused by many Muslims across history; but also referred to the terrible amounts of horrors practiced by non-Muslims like Vlad The Impaler.

I could say "rejected as a tu quoque", but i dont want to be associated with something liekm you in any way.

My real answer: 
...which he commited because his lands were invaded, by the Ottomans. Eye for an eye, yeah?

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And yet you routinely seek to justify the horrors committed by Muslims by pointing to the horrors committed by non-Muslims.

This makes you a steaming great hypocrite.

Boru

No; I referred to the horrors caused by many Muslims across history.

Which ones?

Arab slave trade?
Slave trade of the barbary coast?
Invasion of Spain?
Treating people of other religions as second class citizens?
Indoctrination of childs?
Misogyny?
Chopping hands off?
etc?
pp?

[Draconic Aiur]

No; I referred to the horrors caused by many Muslims across history; but also referred to the terrible amounts of horrors practiced by non-Muslims like Vlad The Impaler.

Vlad Tepes . You mean the man who was kidnapped by the Ottoman Turks and held as hostages by them to ensure that Wallachia remained a vassal state . Yeah sure that did nothing mess him up mentally

Plus Vlad Tepes and his brother were raped 1st as hostages in Murad II palace, then when freed later were raped as punishment for disobeying the Ottoman Empire. Oh yeah, definitely fucked Vlad's mentality. Before Bramstroker, Vlad Tepes was considered a hero who latter was betrayed by an ally, sent to prison in the christian church (which made him out to be a villain) and later was killed by the Ottomans.

[Deesse23]

Vlad Tepes . You mean the man who was kidnapped by the Ottoman Turks and held as hostages by them to ensure that Wallachia remained a vassal state . Yeah sure that did nothing mess him up mentally

Plus Vlad Tepes and his brother were raped 1st as hostages in Murad II palace, then when freed later were raped as punishment for disobeying the Ottoman Empire. Oh yeah, definitely fucked Vlad's mentality. Before Bramstroker, Vlad Tepes was considered a hero who latter was betrayed by an ally, sent to prison in the christian church (which made him out to be a villain) and later was killed by the Ottomans.

Fyi: Vlad III is still considered to be a hero in Romania. I was there, i have seen it. I have talked to people.
Btw: There is one who did even more damage to the Ottomans, who suffered their biggest military defeat ever by his very hands. Someone who even supported Vlad (buz couldnt avoid him being murderd): Stefan cel mare/Stephen the Great. He just didnt put people on pikes, but definitely killed more Ottomans than Vlad.

But Atlass probably doesnt know this one either. "Vlad Tepes" is just another of his (he thinks so) "gotcha" phrases to stop any menaingful interaction. He is not interested in interaction, but in silencing opposition.

He wants to condem Vlad for fighting the Ottomans? Then he must condemn Arminius for fighting the romans. Vlad is a terrorist to the Ottomans and a freedom fighter for the Wallachians. Vlad put Ottomans on pikes, Arminius sacfrificed roman pows on altars to his gods.

Once again, Atlass has neither the will nor the intellectual curiosity to discuss these complex topics. These issues are only a mean to en end, and that end is to portray him and his likes as "good guys" and everyone else as "bad", and stifle any progress in meaningful ways to adress them.

[WinterHold]

Plus Vlad Tepes and his brother were raped 1st as hostages in Murad II palace, then when freed later were raped as punishment for disobeying the Ottoman Empire. Oh yeah, definitely fucked Vlad's mentality. Before Bramstroker, Vlad Tepes was considered a hero who latter was betrayed by an ally, sent to prison in the christian church (which made him out to be a villain) and later was killed by the Ottomans.

Fyi: Vlad III is still considered to be a hero in Romania. I was there, i have seen it. I have talked to people.
Btw: There is one who did even more damage to the Ottomans, who suffered their biggest military defeat ever by his very hands. Someone who even supported Vlad (buz couldnt avoid him being murderd): Stefan cel mare/Stephen the Great. He just didnt put people on pikes, but definitely killed more Ottomans than Vlad.

But Atlass probably doesnt know this one either. "Vlad Tepes" is just another of his (he thinks so) "gotcha" phrases to stop any menaingful interaction. He is not interested in interaction, but in silencing opposition.

He wants to condem Vlad for fighting the Ottomans? Then he must condemn Arminius for fighting the romans. Vlad is a terrorist to the Ottomans and a freedom fighter for the Wallachians. Vlad put Ottomans on pikes, Arminius sacfrificed roman pows on altars to his gods.

Once again, Atlass has neither the will nor the intellectual curiosity to discuss these complex topics. These issues are only a mean to en end, and that end is to portray him and his likes as "good guys" and everyone else as "bad", and stifle any progress in meaningful ways to adress them.

Then, if your imagined story -that has no historic evidence- is true, then impaling pedophiles should be the sentence to use worldwide; according to your post I mean.

[The Grand Nudger]

It would be nice to see whatever process went silently into that "then", there.

Meanwhile, it would probably be more accurate to state that Deese is giving you a window into western education and understanding. An understanding which comes to terms with and accurately reflects the complicated interactions which give rise to freedom fighters or terrorists by any other name. To this end, a simplistic dichotomy between right and wrong, good or evil, is insufficient.

[Draconic Aiur]

Fyi: Vlad III is still considered to be a hero in Romania. I was there, i have seen it. I have talked to people.
Btw: There is one who did even more damage to the Ottomans, who suffered their biggest military defeat ever by his very hands. Someone who even supported Vlad (buz couldnt avoid him being murderd): Stefan cel mare/Stephen the Great. He just didnt put people on pikes, but definitely killed more Ottomans than Vlad.

But Atlass probably doesnt know this one either. "Vlad Tepes" is just another of his (he thinks so) "gotcha" phrases to stop any menaingful interaction. He is not interested in interaction, but in silencing opposition.

He wants to condem Vlad for fighting the Ottomans? Then he must condemn Arminius for fighting the romans. Vlad is a terrorist to the Ottomans and a freedom fighter for the Wallachians. Vlad put Ottomans on pikes, Arminius sacfrificed roman pows on altars to his gods.

Once again, Atlass has neither the will nor the intellectual curiosity to discuss these complex topics. These issues are only a mean to en end, and that end is to portray him and his likes as "good guys" and everyone else as "bad", and stifle any progress in meaningful ways to adress them.

Then, if your imagined story -that has no historic evidence- is true, then impaling pedophiles should be the sentence to use worldwide; according to your post I mean.

There is historic evidence. Why don't you research it?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Plus Vlad Tepes and his brother were raped 1st as hostages in Murad II palace, then when freed later were raped as punishment for disobeying the Ottoman Empire. Oh yeah, definitely fucked Vlad's mentality. Before Bramstroker, Vlad Tepes was considered a hero who latter was betrayed by an ally, sent to prison in the christian church (which made him out to be a villain) and later was killed by the Ottomans.

Fyi: Vlad III is still considered to be a hero in Romania. I was there, i have seen it. I have talked to people.
Btw: There is one who did even more damage to the Ottomans, who suffered their biggest military defeat ever by his very hands. Someone who even supported Vlad (buz couldnt avoid him being murderd): Stefan cel mare/Stephen the Great. He just didnt put people on pikes, but definitely killed more Ottomans than Vlad.

But Atlass probably doesnt know this one either. "Vlad Tepes" is just another of his (he thinks so) "gotcha" phrases to stop any menaingful interaction. He is not interested in interaction, but in silencing opposition.

He wants to condem Vlad for fighting the Ottomans? Then he must condemn Arminius for fighting the romans. Vlad is a terrorist to the Ottomans and a freedom fighter for the Wallachians. Vlad put Ottomans on pikes, Arminius sacfrificed roman pows on altars to his gods.

Once again, Atlass has neither the will nor the intellectual curiosity to discuss these complex topics. These issues are only a mean to en end, and that end is to portray him and his likes as "good guys" and everyone else as "bad", and stifle any progress in meaningful ways to adress them.

One could even make the point that Tepes was cleverer than Hermann the German. Arminius used Roman tactics to defeat the Romans, whereas Vlad was a true original.

Boru