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If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 21, 2021 at 7:50 pm)Ahriman Wrote: While I fancy the idea of being loved unconditionally, I am something of a petty tyrant in my personal life......I tend to boss people around, and have little patience with stupid bullshit. I refuse to eat at restaurants with my Dad anymore because he takes too long to finish his food, and I hate having to sit there and wait for him to finish. Aside from stuff like that, I am very bitter, as a consequence of my life experiences

I said somewhere recently here that I value honesty. For anyone wondering, THIS is the sort of thing I value.

Quote:I wouldn't mind knocking some people down a peg, just to show them I am more powerful than them.

But then, yay, you have your reward. But if you don't collect such rewards, apparently, the heavenly father will reward you in secret. Not my belief, yours.

Quote:Despite this desire for power, I am incredibly sensitive, emotionally, and handle criticism and conflict very poorly.

Same here. I like to think it's the human condition. But then other people seem to handle criticism better than me and then I think, "maybe not the human condition" and I'm some kind of asshole.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 20, 2021 at 11:52 pm)Ahriman Wrote: There is an afterlife. It won't necessarily be an eternal Heaven or eternal Hell, but something will be waiting for you, whether you are a religious person or not.

Evidence?

(August 21, 2021 at 5:00 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Written texts said Jesus rose from the dead.  I believe those texts.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to just make up a ludicrous story and record it in a text?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
Quote:Evidence?
It's common sense. You don't think, that after this life on Earth, with all of its experiences, you're going to just disappear, do you? No......your soul/spirit/energy, whatever, is going to continue, in some form or another.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
Quote:It's common sense. 
No, it's not.


Quote:You don't think, that after this life on Earth, with all of its experiences, you're going to just disappear
I don't know. But I see no reason to think otherwise.


Quote:, do you? No......your soul/spirit/energy, whatever, is going to continue, in some form or another.
Again that's not common sense that's an assertion.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 22, 2021 at 1:18 am)Ahriman Wrote: It's common sense. You don't think, that after this life on Earth, with all of its experiences, you're going to just disappear, do you?

Actually, I *do* believe that we just disappear.

Good thing, too. Life after death just doesn't make any sense to me - an eternal life that extends only to +∞ rather than to infinity in both directions? Even in the context of a future infinity, our experiences in an infinitesimally short mortal life would fade into meaninglessness and would be woefully inadequate preparation for an unending life.

No, I'm quite content to savour earthly experiences while I'm still alive to have them, then let some other sentient being have my carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen so that they can have a go at this "life" thing too.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 21, 2021 at 11:34 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 11:26 am)Angrboda Wrote: Two things prevent this.  First, God is morally perfect.  It's his nature.  He can't do something that is not in his nature, which lying would be.  The second has to do with omniscience and free will, but I doubt a believer would accept that God has no free will, no matter what evidence is presented.
Free will doesn't mean what most people think it means. Nobody (not even God) has absolutely unlimited free will. That's not how it works. You only have the kind of free will that allows you to fulfill your True Will, which varies from individual to individual. Unlike humans', God's True Will is always good.......He only ever does good things. Humans are different. Humans are allowed to do good and evil things.
(my bold)

Funny. I heard tell of this book that that all my christer friends claim is absolutely true, and that book has a story in it about how almost all life was killed by this really powerful sky-dude because he got pissed off at them for not doing what he wanted. So he got this one old dude to build a really big boat, and put his family and a bunch of animals on it, and then he flooded the whole world, killing everything and everyone not on that boat. That doesn't seem like a neighborly thing to do and it certainly doesn't sound like a good thing. In fact, it sounds downright evil.

So what gawd is it you believe in that only does good?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
Quote:Free will doesn't mean what most people think it means. Nobody (not even God) has absolutely unlimited free will. That's not how it works. You only have the kind of free will that allows you to fulfill your True Will, which varies from individual to individual. Unlike humans', God's True Will is always good.......He only ever does good things. Humans are different. Humans are allowed to do good and evil things.
There is no contradiction between only being able to do good and having free will and no valid reason a god would not make human beings that way.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
In New Age Christian Speak, good is synonymous with monstrous.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 21, 2021 at 4:17 pm)Mashmont Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm)Helios Wrote: Humans throughout history have invented gods and supernatural entities we know are likely not real. Why should the Christain god be considered any different?

Well, because this One rose from the dead.

You say that like it's a unique claim or something.

(August 21, 2021 at 5:00 pm)Mashmont Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 4:32 pm)Helios Wrote: So your just deflecting then. You no evidence Jesus rose from the dead 

Gottcha  Hehe

Written texts said Jesus rose from the dead.  I believe those texts.  Just like you believe other texts from that era or any other.

Written texts claim there's a Ministry for Magic headquartered in London. Do you believe those texts as well? If not, why not?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
(August 22, 2021 at 1:18 am)Ahriman Wrote:
Quote:Evidence?
It's common sense. You don't think, that after this life on Earth, with all of its experiences, you're going to just disappear, do you? No......your soul/spirit/energy, whatever, is going to continue, in some form or another.

And that form will be primarily worm food.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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