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[Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
Verses of God?  A chorus of crickets.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 5, 2020 at 12:04 am)Grandizer Wrote: Sorry that there is no such thing as "true Islam", at least not the way some people see it just to serve their bigoted narrative.

So when WinterHold says thay "true Islam" forbids killing of people who ridicule Muhammad, he is actually a bigot?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
Since Winter tends to go all twitchy when the threads he starts diverge even the littlest bit, I insist we return to the OP.

When the verses of the God are made fun of, Muslims should do the can-can.

And THAT, my friends, is how you stay on topic.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 5, 2020 at 5:15 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I insist we return to the OP.

When the verses of the God are made fun of, Muslims should do the can-can.

And THAT, my friends, is how you stay on topic.

Boru

Yeah, but considering that one can interpret those incoherent drunk ramblings as one wishes, isn't than useful to see how Muslims react when someone mocks Muhammad or criticizes Islam to get the impression of how majority of Muslims interpret them?
And indeed, when someone mocks Muhammad, vengeance is swift and often brutal.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 5, 2020 at 6:49 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(September 5, 2020 at 5:15 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I insist we return to the OP.

When the verses of the God are made fun of, Muslims should do the can-can.

And THAT, my friends, is how you stay on topic.

Boru

Yeah, but considering that one can interpret those incoherent drunk ramblings as one wishes, isn't than useful to see how Muslims react when someone mocks Muhammad or criticizes Islam to get the impression of how majority of Muslims interpret them?
And indeed, when someone mocks Muhammad, vengeance is swift and often brutal.

The question wasn't how do Muslims react, but how should they react.  I just think the world would be a much more festive place if - when Muslims hear their book being mocked - they stop responding as you describe and opt to emulate a line of French chorus girls instead.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
OP, that's what happens when you don't have a life. Every facet of your life IS religion. No freedom of thought outside of religion.
You get one life and you go and waste it on a fantasy... So sad man... So sad.
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Know God, Know fear.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 4, 2020 at 4:52 am)WinterHold Wrote: Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together

Allah is going to hell.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 4, 2020 at 7:46 am)Angrboda Wrote: Well, if the question is what should a Muslim do, then presumably their highest duty is Islam and submission to God.  That being the case, the combined corpus of the Quran, including its holding Mohammed out as an example of correct conduct, says different things at different times.  So the advice that Mohammed and the Quran provides on the matter is self-contradictory, and no single ethic can be provided.  As such, it gives no guidance as to what to do, and leaves Muslims to do what religionists the world over have been doing since time immemorial in doing whatever the fuck they feel like and then cherry-picking the support for their actions.

If the goal of Islam is the submission to God, not the submission to the religious institution; thus following the Quran is at the top of the pyramid for a Muslim.

A Muslim who replaces the top of the pyramid with anything else is not following Islam's message; but rather following the mutations represented in the Sunni/Shiite schools.

As for contradictions in the Quran, that is a blocked path because me -and billions across 1400 years- read the book and concluded that it has no contradiction.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 2:47 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 4, 2020 at 7:46 am)Angrboda Wrote: Well, if the question is what should a Muslim do, then presumably their highest duty is Islam and submission to God.  That being the case, the combined corpus of the Quran, including its holding Mohammed out as an example of correct conduct, says different things at different times.  So the advice that Mohammed and the Quran provides on the matter is self-contradictory, and no single ethic can be provided.  As such, it gives no guidance as to what to do, and leaves Muslims to do what religionists the world over have been doing since time immemorial in doing whatever the fuck they feel like and then cherry-picking the support for their actions.

If the goal of Islam is the submission to God, not the submission to the religious institution; thus following the Quran is at the top of the pyramid for a Muslim.

A Muslim who replaces the top of the pyramid with anything else is not following Islam's message; but rather following the mutations represented in the Sunni/Shiite schools.

As for contradictions in the Quran, that is a blocked path because me -and billions across 1400 years- read the book and concluded that it has no contradiction.

If there are no contradictions, can you explain why one passage clearly states that Mohammed liked to walk around with live ferrets in his drawers, while another verse - just as clearly - has Mohammed saying this is a sin?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
Quote:If the goal of Islam is the submission to God, not the submission to the religious institution; thus following the Quran is at the top of the pyramid for a Muslim.

A Muslim who replaces the top of the pyramid with anything else is not following Islam's message; but rather following the mutations represented in the Sunni/Shiite schools.
History refutes this 


Quote:As for contradictions in the Quran, that is a blocked path because me -and billions across 1400 years- read the book and concluded that it has no contradiction.
It doesn't matter if a quadrillion fools say there are no contractions. They are there plain as day .Truth is not a numbers game .

(September 9, 2020 at 5:16 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 2:47 am)WinterHold Wrote: If the goal of Islam is the submission to God, not the submission to the religious institution; thus following the Quran is at the top of the pyramid for a Muslim.

A Muslim who replaces the top of the pyramid with anything else is not following Islam's message; but rather following the mutations represented in the Sunni/Shiite schools.

As for contradictions in the Quran, that is a blocked path because me -and billions across 1400 years- read the book and concluded that it has no contradiction.

If there are no contradictions, can you explain why one passage clearly states that Mohammed liked to walk around with live ferrets in his drawers, while another verse - just as clearly - has Mohammed saying this is a sin?

Boru
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“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”
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