Posts: 66303
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 21, 2020 at 12:32 pm
How very human of a god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 763
Threads: 122
Joined: August 31, 2011
Reputation:
6
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 21, 2020 at 1:15 pm
(September 21, 2020 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
Regards
DL
in that middle eastern culture at that time the oldest son or the first born son took the role of executor of the father's estate. he basically did the will of the father. As does Jesus does the will of his father. He does this because that is his role in the trinity. why? because he knows his role and is content living it. just like i am content in my limitations and role. while you may only see the limits placed on me i know i have progressed much further than if i were to try and do all of this on my own. It is better to be the servant/slave of a rich man who watches out and cares for you than to be given the illusion of freedom by an evil one who wants you to fail. The story of joseph comes to mind he served the pharaoh of egypt so well pharaoh made him second in command of the whole country. he had free reign over the whole country and ruled as if it were his.. only pharaoh himself could over rule joseph the slave of the great and mighty.. where as his supposedly 'free brothers' (who sold him into slavery) starved and had to go to joseph to survive.
So Yahweh and Jesus are doing what the Jews would do.
I do not see the relevance of what you put as Jews are not Trinitarians.
Do you not see Jesus as a better god than his genocidal father?
Regards
DL
Posts: 2692
Threads: 11
Joined: May 13, 2013
Reputation:
17
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 21, 2020 at 6:07 pm
Drich is very generous with his smoke bombs.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
Posts: 6607
Threads: 73
Joined: May 31, 2014
Reputation:
56
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 22, 2020 at 3:36 am
(September 21, 2020 at 12:15 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: (September 21, 2020 at 9:07 am)Angrboda Wrote: Equal doesn't mean the same. "Good, fast, cheap -- pick any two!" The two I pick can be equally important, but are definitely not the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed
This has Jesus beholden or relying on the holy spirit to have Jesus born.
Again, Jesus is shown as inferior to the other two. Even relegated to the seat beside Yahweh.
Strange that one god has tree asses.
Equal is not the same, I agree, but Jesus sure is a useless piece of garbage without help from the other gods.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL
If we go by what the Gospels say generally, then yes it does appear that Jesus is made inferior to both God the Father and the Holy Spirit. But then again, Trinity wasn't a thing when the synoptic Gospels were written, and I don't think it was significantly a thing yet when John was written.
Seems the same with the Apostle's Creed as well, but as the link you posted states:
Quote:Because of the early origin of its original form, it does not address some Christological issues defined in the Nicene and other Christian creeds. It thus says nothing explicitly about the divinity of either Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Nor does it address many other theological questions which became objects of dispute centuries later.
Nicene Creed, on the other hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed
Posts: 763
Threads: 122
Joined: August 31, 2011
Reputation:
6
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 22, 2020 at 8:41 am
(September 22, 2020 at 3:36 am)Grandizer Wrote: (September 21, 2020 at 12:15 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed
This has Jesus beholden or relying on the holy spirit to have Jesus born.
Again, Jesus is shown as inferior to the other two. Even relegated to the seat beside Yahweh.
Strange that one god has tree asses.
Equal is not the same, I agree, but Jesus sure is a useless piece of garbage without help from the other gods.
Regards
DL If we go by what the Gospels say generally, then yes it does appear that Jesus is made inferior to both God the Father and the Holy Spirit. But then again, Trinity wasn't a thing when the synoptic Gospels were written, and I don't think it was significantly a thing yet when John was written.
Seems the same with the Apostle's Creed as well, but as the link you posted states:
Quote:Because of the early origin of its original form, it does not address some Christological issues defined in the Nicene and other Christian creeds. It thus says nothing explicitly about the divinity of either Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Nor does it address many other theological questions which became objects of dispute centuries later.
Nicene Creed, on the other hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed
Christians do not bother analyzing the more intelligent arguments against their dogmas.
Sheeple follow. They do not question. If they did, they would not be following a genocidal prick of a god.
Regards
DL
Posts: 6607
Threads: 73
Joined: May 31, 2014
Reputation:
56
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
September 22, 2020 at 10:14 pm
(September 22, 2020 at 8:41 am)Greatest I am Wrote: (September 22, 2020 at 3:36 am)Grandizer Wrote: If we go by what the Gospels say generally, then yes it does appear that Jesus is made inferior to both God the Father and the Holy Spirit. But then again, Trinity wasn't a thing when the synoptic Gospels were written, and I don't think it was significantly a thing yet when John was written.
Seems the same with the Apostle's Creed as well, but as the link you posted states:
Nicene Creed, on the other hand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed
Christians do not bother analyzing the more intelligent arguments against their dogmas.
Sheeple follow. They do not question. If they did, they would not be following a genocidal prick of a god.
Regards
DL
That is historically not true, but whatever makes you sleep at night.
|
