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Who is a real Christian?
RE: Who is a real Christian?
I see no etymology being used here, do you?
RE: Who is a real Christian?
Well, I just have "faith" that you do.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 27, 2020 at 9:07 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: If they believe the dead jew on a stick was somehow "god" then they are a christian.

Ebionites believed Jesus of Nazareth as a mere man who, by virtue of his righteousness, was chosen by God to be the Prophet of the Messianic Age, while they rejected as heresies the proto-orthodox Christian beliefs in his alleged divinity, pre-existence, virgin birth and substitutionary atonement.
Some modern scholars argue that Ebionites may have been the most faithful disciples of the life and teachings of the historical Jesus.

Christadelphians today claim to base their beliefs solely on the Bible, they reject the Trinity and the immortality of the soul, believing these to be corruptions of original Christian teaching. They believe Jesus is the Son of God, this is only a relational title toward the Father who alone is truly God. Christ's personhood, therefore, is human not divine, (believing this to be necessary in order to save humans from their sins).
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: Who is a real Christian?
I'm a real bad christian.

My wife's a real cafeteria christian.

My ex is a real hypocritical christian.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 26, 2020 at 1:01 pm)Sal Wrote: Seems like modern Christians have an ever decreasing pool of doctrines to follow, eh?

The funny thing is they started from a pool of approximately zero.
RE: Who is a real Christian?
As a former Pentecostal I can attest that Catholics are not only widely believed to not be Christians because of their veneration of Mary and the Saints (sounds like a pop group but Pentecostals consider it idolatry), but widely believe the Catholic Church is the 'whore of Babylon' described in Revelation, who sits on seven mountains (ouch!). The whore probably represented Rome in the time Revelation was written, which they interpret as the Vatican.

It has been my unfortunate experience to hear the most awful slander regarding priests and nuns. You'd think the real scandals would be shocking enough, but Pentecostals circulate what amounts to conspiracy theories and urban legends about the RCC, like there being a convent in Mexico where the priests repeatedly get the nuns pregnant, bury the babies in the basement, and if any of the nuns try to escape they're thrown into a giant grinder.

But I shouldn't let myself get started....
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
RE: Who is a real Christian?
Stories like that are representations of animus - the people who tell them probably wouldn't put their hand on a bible and swear to their truth - but they're useful in conveying an experienced reaction to catholicism on the part of protestants here there and errywhere.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
To the OP, all of these are simultaneously true:
  • Anyone who is willing to join that voting block
  • Nobody
  • If you believe that Christ was an important religious figure

That voting block is held together with duct tape and baling wire for the purposes of unifying against anyone who is not religious.

Us nons are even LESS unified because what would we unify with? I've seen people argue the "really important differences" between the gradients of atheism including Deism.
RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 26, 2020 at 11:33 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: I'm making this topic because in the last one that I made the conversation went into a direction of defining which denominations are real Christian  denominations and which are not Christians.

This is usually subject among Christians and I've seen (and I'm probably not the only one here) that Christians of different denominations accuse other denominations of not being Christians.

Like Catholics are not really Christians because they accept evolution (although that is relative), they have boring mass, they call Sunday the Sabbath day instead of Saturday. They use beads, worship Mary (pagan God), they have the Pope which is no-no, and so on. And of course every denomination or church outside of the Catholic Church is heretic.

Baptists are not Christians because they are called baptists and followers of Jesus Christ were never called Baptists. The followers of John were never called Baptists. They call Sunday the Sabbath day instead of Saturday. They have unscriptural means of raising money. Baptists make the wrong confession. They say "confess your sins," but Christ says in Matt. 10:32, "Whosoever therefore shall confess ME before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." The confession is not made in baptism. And so on

Evangelicals are not christians because they are pro Trump, pro greed, hypocrites, they are into lies (like QAnon) etc.

Episcopalians are not Christians because of their support for access to abortion and the openness of some Episcopal priests to questions about the physical resurrection of Jesus. They ordain openly gay and lesbian bishops.

Presbyterians are not Christians because  they recognize same-sex marriage as Christian while other denominations with a traditional doctrine of sexuality tend to interpret Scripture in its original context, maintaining a traditional understanding of gender and marriage as an essential part of that narrative.

Mormons are not Christian because they do not believe in the Trinity. They accept extra books in their canon. They believe that the death of the apostles led to the death of apostolic succession and that the traditional church perpetuated a false line of apostolic succession.

Pentecostals are not Christians because they believe in speaking in tongues (unintelligible language or gibberish). They put Bible on a secondary place with Pentecostals as compared to experience. They put women as pastors and teachers over whole congregations. And so on

Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians because they don't believe in the Trinity (and who can blame them since the word Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible). They don't celebrate Sunday but Saturday. They came into existence in the late 19th Century.

Non-denominational Christians are not Christians because they are actually a denomination although they deny it. This isn't the model provided in the New Testament, which makes the idea of a non-denominational church itself an unbiblical concept. The pastor has far too much control and influence to the point that false doctrine is regularly taught and seldom challenged.

in the bible salvation does not happen in this life. when ever salvation is mention it always point towards to the future. you will be saved we will be saved on that last day we will be saved ect. in this life we all but only follow the path of christ. salvation happens at judgement. meaning nothing we do here can save any of us. those who are to be christians get saved at or from judgement. IE christ decides on that last day. when he does we are not saved by denomination or even theology. we either acept Christ here and now and we will be saved or we do not and will be judged and cast out. that i why you can't find a denominational 'in.' there isn't one. the bible only talks about the church which is decided by christ and not labels we put on ourself. jew christian deist perhaps even muslim it all depends on christ the gospel and what we did with what we knew/understoof of it.
RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 28, 2020 at 1:09 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(September 26, 2020 at 1:01 pm)Sal Wrote: Seems like modern Christians have an ever decreasing pool of doctrines to follow, eh?

The funny thing is they started from a pool of approximately zero.

They're taking the square root of larger and larger negative numbers. I guess it's just complex like that.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman

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