Another gun discussion part deux.

[onlinebiker]

Well believe it or not, I went out and got my FFL Federal Firearms license. So i am a licenses dealer in everything but destructive devices. I even have the ammo manufacturing license. which means i'm up on most/all the federal laws and current readings of laws for fire arm transfer. i cant can not sell anything on line so this is not a sale call/advertisement but an opportunity to have a discussion with someone who has a current understanding of how the laws are structured what laws are in place and what can be obtained and what is fake news.  Most of the stuff i've seen discussed in the past here is indeed fake news. Gun's are not readily available to any one including on duty police officers and military unless they have a letter from their commanding officers that the particular firearm being purchased is in fact their primary on duty firearm or replacement. everyone has to wait 3 days unless the have their CCL which requires you to submit to pre registration of all the firearm info. Everyone is subject to a comperhensive federal back ground check, this includes CCL holder as well.. 

Also I've seen people talk about gun show loop holes.. there aren't any. as a FFL the same rules apply except where as in a normal sale it has to be done at my retail store over the counter. the gun show transaction can happen at the gun show. but the same federal back ground check still needs to happen and the same wait period applies if you are not a conceal carry person. which usually means you have to pick up only at my store. 

So if you still say we need more gun laws... what more in your mind needs to be done with in the frame work of the 2nd amendment?

I will be the first to admit, I am a horrible speller and with syntax, but I certainly hope when you filled out your application you didn't submit this crap.

FYI, it isn't about simply gun laws, it is about volume made by the gun corporations, and volume sold.

I have no felonies myself. If I wanted to go out right now, and buy a firearm tomorrow, I could. Now, everyone who knows me here ask them if I should simply have one because I have no record.

NOBODY sane is arguing banning all firearms. The sane are simply saying our laws DON'T WORK. If they did, we would not be #1 in firearm violence among first world western nations.

One can take their kids out for candy and soda and feed them an unlimited amount too. But pretty sure it is going to be a cluster fuck at night trying to get them to sleep.

Shows what you know...

One of my exes who lived with me had a 11 year old daughter. Mom was at work. Kid wanted a Jolt Cola. (All the sugar and twice the caffine). Kid liked it. Wanted another. Told her to go for it. She took a third without asking.....

Mom came home at 7:30 and the kid was out cold, snoring.

Caffine can have a reverse effect in kids...

[Rhizomorph13]

I will be the first to admit, I am a horrible speller and with syntax, but I certainly hope when you filled out your application you didn't submit this crap.

FYI, it isn't about simply gun laws, it is about volume made by the gun corporations, and volume sold.

I have no felonies myself. If I wanted to go out right now, and buy a firearm tomorrow, I could. Now, everyone who knows me here ask them if I should simply have one because I have no record.

NOBODY sane is arguing banning all firearms. The sane are simply saying our laws DON'T WORK. If they did, we would not be #1 in firearm violence among first world western nations.

One can take their kids out for candy and soda and feed them an unlimited amount too. But pretty sure it is going to be a cluster fuck at night trying to get them to sleep.

Shows what you know...

One of my exes who lived with me had a 11 year old daughter. Mom was at work. Kid wanted a Jolt Cola. (All the sugar and twice the caffine). Kid liked it. Wanted another. Told her to go for it. She took a third without asking.....

Mom came home at 7:30 and the kid was out cold, snoring.

Caffine can have a reverse effect in kids...

That kid probably had ADHD

[brewer]

Drich, will you be selling components for ghost guns like many other retailers?

What are the laws limiting access to or for the registration of ghost guns?

(just poking the bear, I'm a gun owner that's all for stricter regulations)

[popeyespappy]

Sounds dubious.


To my knowledge the ONLY online sales are to C+R license holders (and of course only C+R eligible firearms) AND all FFL holders can advertise and sell online - but can only ship to another FFL holder.


Correct me if I am wrong.

the 03 c&R I did have and that allows for purchases on line only. still cant sell or transfer on line.. the 06 is for ammo manufacturing. can have more than 50lbs of loose powder on hand. any more would have to have the explosive devise/ordnance licenses. the 07 allows me to receive from ffl and non ffl sources, and i can sell and ship but not to any of you. it would have to be another ffl. that what i mean i cant sell to any of you... I can send a fire arm to any of you directly. you could technicall buy from me and i could send it to your local gun shop but by the time he gets done with his jealous fee for not going to him in the first place/paper work transfer, you could probably buy the gun twice. the only reason to do a transfer like that is if someone dies, you buy a gun like on a on line auction and get it stupid cheap or you just gotta have the newest or a special order custom competition gun, and your guy only sells muskets. most gun store owners are like elite comic book store owners who graduate to guns. they dont tend to like business going other places.

Sounds dubious.


To my knowledge the ONLY online sales are to C+R license holders (and of course only C+R eligible firearms) AND all FFL holders can advertise and sell online - but can only ship to another FFL holder.


Correct me if I am wrong.

CMP can ship a non C&R straight to your home. You'll have some hoops to jump through first, and they are going to do a background check.

Geez Dirch, where do you live that the transfer fees are unaffordable? You can get a transfer around here for as little as $10. Most charge $20-25, and even the big shops that don't like to do transfers are only charging $30-35. Hell I can get a class 3 transfer for $50.

[The Grand Nudger]

He pretends to have these issues in central Florida, as always.

[GUBU]

So if you still say we need more gun laws... what more in your mind needs to be done with in the frame work of the 2nd amendment?

Either get rid of that amendment entirely or adhere to it entirely. In other words, make firearm ownership a privilege (not a right), or require every firearm owner to serve in ‘a well-regulated militia’.

Boru

Adopting the Swiss model, the well regulated militia one, would be a good idea. Have everybody in the militia own a gun, but limit access to ammunition to when the member is on active duty. And then have strong regulations on owning additional, non militia related, weapons

[Drich]

militia is not regular army you know that right? a militia are those guns who show up to antifa rallies and 'guard' store fronts. kyle what's his name that shot 3 dudes is considered militia. I honestly believe most of us who do own long guns have several other people we hang out with that could very well be considered a small squad or even platoon of militia men. On the right I do not see that as an issue. however gun ownership on the left seems to be more self serving. there isn't a prevalent gun culture to speak of and when one is assembled (the not F-ing around boys/the all black open carry guys) can't seem to get together without negligently discharging their guns and shooting one another with them. Honestly the 2nd amendment is the only reason we have not plunged into a civil war yet.

You are talking out your ass.


The Militia is defunct.

It does not exist as it was designed and intended. Random bastards running about with guns are not The Militia.

The Militia is - all able bodied men between the ages of 18 and 45 years of age. The commissioning of officers, awarding of ranks and training therof is the juristiction of the Governor of each state.

Seeing that no Governor has done that since the 1800's you might as well forget about the militia.

And no - the National Guard is not the militia. It does not fit the Constitutional definition of militia.

actually the national guard has taken the place of the militia. so your talking out of your ass. the militia got a serious up grade and have become a regular army, which means it is not technically a militia any more. which puts the role of citizen soldier back onto the people. just like in the revolutionary war days anyone who answers the call to defend this country from threats foreign or domestic or even answer the call to stand watch armed for the same purposes is militia. like it or not, these guys are being defined or identified as militia even if they do not fit the legal definition which is all you provided. these men by action are militia.

note yours is only definition 2 of the total meaning of the word. while this means you are not completely wrong, understand neither am i as my repersentation of the word meets definition 1:

mi•li•tia mə-lĭsh′ə
►

• n.
  An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
  
  
• n.
  A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
  
  
• n.
  The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
  

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militia is not regular army you know that right? a militia are those guns who show up to antifa rallies and 'guard' store fronts. kyle what's his name that shot 3 dudes is considered militia. I honestly believe most of us who do own long guns have several other people we hang out with that could very well be considered a small squad or even platoon of militia men. On the right I do not see that as an issue. however gun ownership on the left seems to be more self serving. there isn't a prevalent gun culture to speak of and when one is assembled (the not F-ing around boys/the all black open carry guys) can't seem to get together without negligently discharging their guns and shooting one another with them. Honestly the 2nd amendment is the only reason we have not plunged into a civil war yet.

Like so many people who have trouble with complex sentences, you glossed over the ‘well regulated’.

Boru

This is very true like how you glossed over the fact that the supreme court ruled that the well regulated militia was not the sole purpose of the right to bear arms. but rather the independent statement "the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed" stands alone as it's own declarative statement. having a well regulated militia was the benefit of this right as each member precured his own firearm and trained with it on his dime.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

[onlinebiker]

You are talking out your ass.


The Militia is defunct.

It does not exist as it was designed and intended. Random bastards running about with guns are not The Militia.

The Militia is - all able bodied men between the ages of 18 and 45 years of age. The commissioning of officers, awarding of ranks and training therof is the juristiction of the Governor of each state.

Seeing that no Governor has done that since the 1800's you might as well forget about the militia.

And no - the National Guard is not the militia. It does not fit the Constitutional definition of militia.

actually the national guard has taken the place of the militia. so your talking out of your ass. the militia got a serious up grade and have become a regular army, which means it is not technically a militia any more. which puts the role of citizen soldier back onto the people. just like in the revolutionary war days anyone who answers the call to defend this country from threats foreign or domestic or even answer the call to stand watch armed for the same purposes is militia. like it or not, these guys are being defined or identified as militia even if they do not fit the legal definition which is all you provided. these men by action are militia.

note yours is only definition 2 of the total meaning of the word. while this means you are not completely wrong, understand neither am i as my repersentation of the word meets definition 1:

mi•li•tia mə-lĭsh′ə
►

• n.
  An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
  
  
• n.
  A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
  
  
• n.
  The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
  

And you are still full of shit.


Whackadoodles running around with guns is no more a militia than the Kiss Army is a fighting unit....

(You said Rittenhouse was militia....)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Drums Along The Mohawk" was a nearly contemporary "frontier" story that showed what the militia was expected to do.

[Drich]

FYI, it isn't about simply gun laws, it is about volume made by the gun corporations, and volume sold.

why? if the guns are regulated you can only shoot one at a time.. not to mention with a variety of guns come the problem of keeping ammo for each one. tried to buy ammo in the last year? if you can afford it you are restricted to a single box purchase in most places. some calibers they stopped production of all together to try and meet the need for the more popular rounds. Example you can't find .38 special or 357 or 357 mag.. because the material that goes into one of those = 2 9mm luger rounds. so right now if you dont have a need for bird shot shot gun shells or .22 long rifle you are sol..

I have no felonies myself. If I wanted to go out right now, and buy a firearm tomorrow, I could.

not if i suspect you to be a pot user.. or if you were ever arrested for any sort of domestic issue, or if i suspected you were apart of a gang or even something as mundane as buying for someone who could not be here. plus a few other gotchas that could possible apply to you. guns sales are largely up to the store owner, and you have those people in congress who want to blame everyone but the shooter for their crimes to thank for that. which is why i have like 6 camera going into my gun shop to show every possible angel of the customer, so as to have proof of nervous or twitchy behavior, or again if you are dressed like a gang member. even if you are apart of a middle age mundane yuppie motorcycle club/cosplayers. I can sell to you because you are wearing 'colors.'

Now, everyone who knows me here ask them if I should simply have one because I have no record.

no one should have one unless the are one comfortable with a gun and or can take responsibility owning a gun./proper storage.

NOBODY sane is arguing banning all firearms.

clinton promised to follow the australian model. which started out with assault rifles, then hi cap gun/mags then high power hunting rifles the shot guns and all hand guns. now they are gun free inside of 20 years and one school shooting.

The sane are simply saying our laws DON'T WORK.

idk why not try and enforce them.

If they did, we would not be #1 in firearm violence among first world western nations.

fake news bruh, afghanistan/[Pakistan have us beat. they also still have mass bombings as well. to be first worlds biggest problem, means nothing as no other country deals with the things we do. the fact that many people who live here come from less developed countries bring their cultures of resolution by violence with them. and the few countries in the west who open their borders to middle eastern refugees are now paying a steep price in crime and violence.. and that is just an example of two races/cultures clashing. all races all cultures are represented here.

One can take their kids out for candy and soda and feed them an unlimited amount too. But pretty sure it is going to be a cluster fuck at night trying to get them to sleep.

true. but if you teach your children to make good choices the will not want those things to that level of excess. the key here is education and responsibility. this is something we either are given as children by our parents or we do not have. you and well meaning people like yourself think you can regulated these "common sense" practices into law. the problem is when people or cultures teach these laws do not apply when in conflict with the 'side hustle that puts food on the table' then there is nothing you can regulate or restrict. the bad guys will have guns long long after the last good guy gives his up. the problem many of you do not want to admit is the culture or sub culture that permits or justifies illegal behavior to begin with. the problem are the 'side hustles.' and the idea that in order to survive one is needed. you can't out pace people who live outside of society and the laws society places on the law abiding.