Another gun discussion part deux.

[onlinebiker]

Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
.....


So for some reason they don't count.....

[popeyespappy]

got a youtube video?

Like this one where you use a hand drill and a router?





or would you prefer this one where everything is done on a drill press?

[Rev. Rye]

Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
.....


So for some reason they don't count.....

Because we fancy ourselves a developed nation, and yet we still fall far behind them. I don’t ignore those third-world coutries, and in fact, In terms of gun violence, we’re on par with them. I flat-out stated this When I brought up how we compare with other nations. The difference is, unlike you (or, indeed, a lot of others on your side of the gun control debate), I think we should at least try to do better. And I don’t think we can do that without changing how we do things. Why not focus on those other countries? Well, I live in America, which I think  is enough of a reason for me to focus on it, as opposed to Brazil.

[onlinebiker]

Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
.....


So for some reason they don't count.....

Because we fancy ourselves a developed nation, and yet we still fall far behind them. I don’t ignore those third-world coutries, and in fact, In terms of gun violence, we’re on par with them. I flat-out stated this When I brought up how we compare with other nations. The difference is, unlike you (or, indeed, a lot of others on your side of the gun control debate), I think we should at least try to do better. And I don’t think we can do that without changing how we do things. Why not focus on those other countries? Well, I live in America, which I think  is enough of a reason for me to focus on it, as opposed to Brazil.

The reason you should look at Brazil is the same you should look at Australia....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_cont...20officers.


Australia never really had a firearn problem - they outlawed guns and the crime rate stayed statistically about the same.

Brazil outlawed gun ownership - the gun problem subsided for a while - then went up and got worse than before.

What's it prove?

Notta fucking thing.

Don't expect what somebody else tries to work wonders for you.

...

Here in the US - it is pretty consistsnt -

The areas with the most gun problems have the most gun laws....

[Rev. Rye]

Not necessarily:

[Gawdzilla Sama]

St. Louis was Murder Capital of the US a few years back. Haven't looked lately.

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[Rev. Rye]

Huh. I thought it was New Orleans. Evidently, I was wrong because it’s still St. Louis

[Pat Mustard]

Adopting the Swiss model, the well regulated militia one, would be a good idea.  Have everybody in the militia own a gun, but limit access to ammunition to when the member is on active duty.  And then have strong regulations on owning additional, non militia related, weapons

Frankly, the second amendment was written for a very different time, one when individual colonies were responsible for their own militia, one when other nations' armies actually invading the US was actually plausible, one when even Alexander Hamilton saw the idea of disciplining a full-time standing Army for the 13 colonies to be "as futile as it is injurious.". Wikipedia lists exactly two foreign attacks on US territory within my lifetime, one the 1993 WTC bombing, and the other 9/11. The first was a handful of Al-Qaeda operatives who didn't need any extraordinary help in being subdued, and the second case... I think that once the hijackers took control, the only real options for taking them out are a United 93-style revolt (which I don't think used guns) or the military shooting it down.

Oh, I know the reasons behind it, a) those in power when the second constitution was written didn't want to go to the expense of employing a professional army (ignoring the lessons of tye previous 200 years of war in Europe), and b) the slave states wanted an armed force under local control in case of a slave rebellion.

The war of 1812 showed the folly of the first reason, the militias were useless when facing profeseional British soldiers and the second reason was negated by the result of the civil war.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Huh. I thought it was New Orleans. Evidently, I was wrong because it’s still St. Louis

Home games against the Cubs help, but I think that's padding our score.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
.....


So for some reason they don't count.....

The US ranks second in the number of gun deaths (behind Brazil) and 20th in deaths per capita.  Being 20th out of 197 doesn't seem like much to boast about.

Boru