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How far reaching are God's powers?
#31
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(November 10, 2020 at 10:48 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: And your insinuation that God must be incompetent or evil is based on a misunderstanding of why we're here and how He uses evil to accomplish good. 

Who uses evil to do good? So God sends tsunami and kills 300k people in an instant to do good?

(November 10, 2020 at 10:48 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: Again, it's putting God into a box. You're saying that just because He doesn't behave according to your understanding of how He should behave, then He must be this or that.

It's a common problem, not sure why but my guess is that people like to pretend as if they have all the answers or are capable of discovering them on their own because they like to feel in control.

It rather seems that the problem is in you and that you are suffering from confirmation bias.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#32
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(November 10, 2020 at 10:52 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:    Great

   Just to add some actual thoughts, MilesAbbott81.

IF your diety is SO mysterious and who's motives are so incomprehensible then.....


Why give said deity and thoughts or time of day? Huh

Not at work.

Those to whom He hasn't revealed Himself will find Him mysterious. I never said He is mysterious or incomprehensible to me. Not bragging, it's just the way it is.

Actually, I do find Him mysterious in certain respects. I understand His overall plan, but how He accomplishes it is certainly a mystery. As they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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#33
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
"The lord works in mysterious ways" is a euphorism for "Fucked if I know - but I ain't admitting that I don't".
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#34
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
Yeah, when it comes to children getting raped, babies getting cancer and earthquakes killing thousands of people then god is mysterious, but when it comes to gay marriages and how much money people should give to the church then God is clear.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#35
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(November 10, 2020 at 11:15 am)onlinebiker Wrote: "The lord works in mysterious ways" is a euphorism for "Fucked if I know - but I ain't admitting that I don't".

If you would honestly read what I wrote, you'd know that isn't what I said.

But just in case I wasn't clear, I will elaborate just a bit.

Sometimes things happen that we don't understand until we've suffered enough or until some effect occurs due to the event which we couldn't have possibly foreseen. That's the real mystery. God does, at least generally, give us to understand why certain events have happened to us or why they didn't happen to us, eventually. The significant events in our lives He will almost certainly explain to us if we're following His path and not our own. The key is patience and faith. Many just get disgusted and give up because they don't understand and don't actually believe God will give them understanding down the road.

ANYONE claiming to know what God is doing before or while He is doing something is almost invariably going to be flat out wrong, because His ways are mysterious. That doesn't mean they remain forever mysterious to those on the righteous path.

Those who walk their own path will not be enlightened so long as they stay on that path. You'll just flail about in darkness while you shake your fist at the sky in defiance. At least, until God saves you, which He eventually will do for everyone, in this life or the next.

(November 10, 2020 at 11:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah, when it comes to children getting raped, babies getting cancer and earthquakes killing thousands of people then god is mysterious, but when it comes to gay marriages and how much money people should give to the church then God is clear.

No, these things aren't mysterious. Read my reply to onlinebiker. You both misunderstand me.
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#36
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(November 10, 2020 at 11:09 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: Those to whom He hasn't revealed Himself will find Him mysterious. I never said He is mysterious or incomprehensible to me. Not bragging, it's just the way it is.

Actually, I do find Him mysterious in certain respects. I understand His overall plan, but how He accomplishes it is certainly a mystery. As they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

But.... you mentioned that your diety does bad things for their own "We (The humans) can't know the 'Why' of it." reasons?

Or did I miss read your post?

Not at work.
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#37
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
Since we know God’s powers can be stopped by iron chariots, I suppose we should use that as a yardstick. So, how far-reaching are God’s powers?

Not very.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#38
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(October 10, 2020 at 7:52 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 7:46 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: What is God god of? My guess is that most believers believe that God's powers go over our solar system. So is the God a God of the whole galaxy or just part of the galaxy? Does it go beyond galaxy and God is God of the whole galactic cluster? Or the believers believe that God is in charge of all the galaxies? I mean that is a lot of galaxies, stars, planets, and whatnot.

And if God is God of the whole universe is it just this universe or is he God of all other universes, or each universe has its own God?

Psalm 82 mentions how God has meetings with other gods so we see some division of power, perhaps gods of other galaxies or universes?

Except verse 6-7 says these supposed "gods" will die like mere mortals, so not "gods" of any consequence.
Julius Caesar could be likened as one of these gods perhaps based on what people around him thought of him.  But as far as I can tell he is just food for worms now.

I remember that Psalm, there's a big meeting where God demotes the other gods for not being good at their jobs.

(November 8, 2020 at 11:38 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: God's power is far greater than most realize. Perhaps the most terrifying indication of His power is the fact that He had no beginning, a concept we can hardly even begin to imagine.

Some cosmological theories posit that the universe had no ultimate beginning, it's always been around in some form. The math works and it doesn't violate what we know of physics. What we can get our minds around doesn't seem to have much bearing on what actually is.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#39
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
God is always "revealing himself" to people.


We had a teacher like that, ended up in prison.

Reverand Gover, used to go around in his cassock. That's religious people for you though.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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#40
RE: How far reaching are God's powers?
(November 10, 2020 at 11:09 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:
(November 10, 2020 at 10:52 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:    Great

   Just to add some actual thoughts, MilesAbbott81.

IF your diety is SO mysterious and who's motives are so incomprehensible then.....


Why give said deity and thoughts or time of day? Huh

Not at work.

Those to whom He hasn't revealed Himself will find Him mysterious. I never said He is mysterious or incomprehensible to me. Not bragging, it's just the way it is.

Actually, I do find Him mysterious in certain respects. I understand His overall plan, but how He accomplishes it is certainly a mystery. As they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Wow, makes you sound rather god-like.  You certainly have a high opinion of yourself.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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