The most stupid misconceptions about Islam

[R00tKiT]

uhm, what the fuck are you even talking about? If I lent a neighbor all my property, what would that change for me personally? Is Islam about how much stuff you own and can lend out, and when your neighbor takes a piss on your shoes you lent him, you'll use that as an excuse for punching him? This is fucking ridiculous. And "contract", and using something I lent to my neighbor as an imperative for "repugnant" behavior??? You're delusional.

There is some hierarchy involved, pal. You, including your physical body, belong to god, whether you like or not. Who cares about what you find to be ridiculous or not. This is the actual state of affairs which one has to deal with according to abrahmic beliefs.
Back to the neighbor's example, it's clear that the neighbor does deserve a penalty if he denies your existence and mindlessly destroys your property.

O rly? I am my own person and I will do whatever the fuck I want with my own body.

Your own body ?  
You body doesn't belong to you, pal, you came to this world with it. Yes, I know, our nervous system does allow motor control. But we still were endowed with the whole machine.

Is any of that a problem ? As far as I can tell, although I am not a god, there is no problem. My religion of war -as you like- is very straightforward : we belong to god, we should deal with it.

Yes, it is a problem for anyone that respects the rights of individuals and autonomy. Despite your abhorrent and fucking ridiculous and moronic take, I still respect your autonomy and individuality, I just think your talking points are fucking moronic and I will not hesitate telling you that in this reply.

This is a very silly attempt to anthropomorphize god. It's not like there is some court of law where you can claim your "rights" against supernatural powers.

[Sal]

You don't understand. I don't accept your premise, like, at all. So your "arguments" never get out the door to begin with.

[R00tKiT]

You don't understand. I don't accept your premise, like, at all. So your "arguments" never get out the door to begin with.

Sure, you can go back to your agnostic shell whenever you're cornered. Just notify me next time.

[zebo-the-fat]

Please provide testable evidence for this god

[Sal]

You don't understand. I don't accept your premise, like, at all. So your "arguments" never get out the door to begin with.

Sure, you can go back to your agnostic shell whenever you're cornered. Just notify me next time.

You could say that same thing about Jehovah or any other god image. The ball is in your court, dude.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't like any of these things. I am compelled to agree, though. It makes sense, at least. We belong to god, there is nothing more wrong, then, by definition, than to pretend he doesn't exist. -if, of course, one is presented with compelling enough evidence.
Imagine lending your neighbor everything you have, everything. He denies your existence afterwards and plays with your property, violating every rule in the contract. If neighbor does really repugnant stuff to your property, he does deserve repugnant things from you.

Whether you like them is irrelevant.  I'm wondering whether you agree, and you're telling me that you do.

And how is the existence of a shitlist a problem. It's really basic. Again : our bodies don't belong to us. We belong to god, god said, clearly, not to do some stuff. Some people do this exact stuff while aware of god's warnings. They deserve punishment. Is any of that a problem ? As far as I can tell, although I am not a god, there is no problem. My religion of war -as you like- is very straightforward : we belong to god, we should deal with it.

Yes, it is really basic, and not a basic misunderstanding of islam, but a basic misunderstanding of your audience.  Yes, all of that is a problem - not whatever small group of kafir you think it's okay to shit on...though, to be completely blunt, you appear to be okay with shitting on everyone.  You don't disagree with the extremists or their interpretation, you agree and don't know how to distance yourself from it.

The lazy exhortation to "deal with it" is an affirmation of a broad range of objections to islam, not a correction or a defense. It's bad, you don't like it, and the company sucks - but what can you do, you're human property.

[R00tKiT]

You don't disagree with the extremists or their interpretation, you agree and don't know how to distance yourself from it.

I don't think you even understand what the extremists' interpretation is, let alone where they got it wrong. Besides, I am telling you if one acknoweldges some evidence about something yet continues to deny it, one definitely deserves a spot on a shitlist. A person who is mentally sane and therefore knows, for example, what would murdering another person would bring down on him, yet commits the crime, does deserve to be thrown to jail, what's so hard to understand or accept about that ?
Someone who acknowledges an all powerful creator who watches his every move, warns him of the consequences of denial in very clear and vivid terms, to whom he's going after a death that can occur any second, yet pretend knowingly he doesn't exist, probably just prefers punishment over losing some of his pride.

The lazy exhortation to "deal with it" is an affirmation of a broad range of objections to islam, not a correction or a defense. 

Silly objections would be the right description here. Any system of beliefs, including Islam, includes complete submission to the deity. Doubting the veracity of the belief system makes more sense than rebelling against God's commands while acknoweldging evidence in favor of his existence. If a supernatural agent exists and decides to punish you if you don't do X, the smart decision here is simply to do X.

It's bad, you don't like it, and the company sucks - but what can you do, you're human property.

You got it. And so are you.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think you even understand what the extremists' interpretation is, let alone where they got it wrong. Besides, I am telling you if one acknoweldges some evidence about something yet continues to deny it, one definitely deserves a spot on a shitlist. A person who is mentally sane and therefore knows, for example, what would murdering another person would bring down on him, yet commits the crime, does deserve to be thrown to jail, what's so hard to understand or accept about that ?
Someone who acknowledges an all powerful creator who watches his every move, warns him of the consequences of denial in very clear and vivid terms, to whom he's going after a death that can occur any second, yet pretend knowingly he doesn't exist, probably just prefers punishment over losing some of his pride.

You're telling me that the people on the shitlist, which exists, deserve exactly what the extremists say.  You think they finger the wrong people..but by your own criteria, that's false.  They get it right, and you agree with them, you just don't like the association - because that, in your mind, is the problem, and not your shared principles.

Silly objections would be the right description here. Any system of beliefs, including Islam, includes complete submission to the deity. Doubting the veracity of the belief system makes more sense than rebelling against God's commands while acknoweldging evidence in favor of his existence. If a supernatural agent exists and decides to punish you if you don't do X, the smart decision here is simply to do X.

I have a system of beliefs that doesn't include the validity of human property.  In fact, the entirety of western civilization has a system of beliefs that doesn't include the validity of human property.  Here again you show that no one is mistaken about islam, you are mistaken about your audience.

You got it. And so are you.

If I had a dime for every time someone claimed that my things were their property, I'd be a rich man.  So, who's coming to collect on this hilarious claim to human property.... you, extremists? Good luck with that shit. It's hard for a dead man to drag his human chattel home. This was what western despots learned, that your version of islam has, as of yet, not.

People are eager to acknowledge an authority based on it's right-making properties and good deeds. That would be your in - not this bullshit. It's up to you whether you want to affirm peoples objections to your religion, ofc. If what you intend to do is correct peoples objections based on silly misapprehensions, otoh, then you should probably stay out of the business of telling them that they've got islam exactly right and affirming the validity of that objection as an article of your faith.

Slavers to start, slavers to the finish, apparently.

[Mister Agenda]

I am not sure where you're driving at, exactly. What do you think is unverifiable with regards to the prophet..? His existence or his prophethood ?

If you're talking about the former, you need some sort of mental rehabilitation, seriously. Muhammad conducted dozens of military campaigns, doubting the man's existence is just not sensible. If you mean the latter, I am presenting to you a logical proof, which you failed to follow. Someone claiming God or angels speak to him is either one of three:

1- Sincere and reporting the truth. (A prophet)

2- Sincere but sadly deluded/wrong, stays deluded/wrong for 23 years.

3- Lies knowingly for 23 years.

If we exclude 2 and 3, you are forced to acknowledge the truth of his claim.

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I’m not convinced that we can so easily discount options 2 and 3 (and shame on you for co-opting it from C.S. Lewis).

Why couldn’t Muhammad have been a liar or a lunatic? Joseph Smith was a liar, William Miller was a lunatic - there is plenty of precedent for religious figures being either confidence tricksters or madmen.

Boru

Right, or even simply misquoted? Guy could have been honest as they day is long, but all we know of what he said is what other people wrote down. It's not like there's an original Qur'an to compare the copies we have to. It's easy to put any words you want into someone's mouth after they're dead.

[The Grand Nudger]

Too much of an out. The horrible shit put in the mouths of the characters in magic books belong there. It's not later actors, in bad faith, inserting it. Garuantee a slaving warlord in the carpet import business with a child bride believed all the worst shit that any modern day cultist believes, and then some.

This kafir nonsense was never anything other than a bigoted pretext for expansionary war, for example. That's muslims getting it right, according to islam, as written in magic book.