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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:20 am
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2020 at 4:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's a very common view to hold different churches as products of different religions, as under durkheims definition. We have all sorts of words for the endless schisms of western monotheism - for example.
The value of durkheims, specifically with respect to that - is that it's a definition which accurately describes non schismatic religions as well - while being applicable to schismatic religions - by the exact same metrics - at any level of magnification.
Pick two different protestant churches. They will have different beliefs and practices relative to sacred things which unite them in a moral whole. They are different churches because their religions are different.
We could split a single physical church - as in a building- in half on such lines and repeat the same - then we could split that, and the next and the next, until we get to indivisible units and people torn between two sets of different beliefs and practices)
Shared normative content circumscribes shared practices and beliefs which unite any of these groups, at any magnification, called by any name, as a whole.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:26 am
How many people make up a Church?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:30 am
However many people are united by a set of beliefs and practices relative to the sacred which unite them in a moral whole.
Could be one, could be 12, could be millions. Like jesus, then his apostles, and now the rest of all of you.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:40 am
How many people are required for a government to exist?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:43 am
Seems like a similarly variable number, doesn't it? I'm biased, lol, but I like to say the minimum number of people to accomplish the job.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:45 am
Give me a number. What's the minimum.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:48 am
There isn't one. An active or living religion is going to have some number greater than one - though they may have been started by one guy - and an inactive or dead religion will have zero.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:49 am
That wasn't my question. What's the minimum number of people for a government to exist?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 4:52 am
There are forms of government with just one member, and forms of government which enfranchise (or claim to enfranchise) every member. Then there are governments which have none, because the state no longer exists.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 5:00 am
"A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community."
Do you take issue with this definition? It seems straightforward that governments require a community of two or more people, doesn't it?
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