[Serious] Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem

[The Grand Nudger]

That's not true either. Society defined southern and eastern europeans, irish too, as non white. Each of these is, today, counted as white. New york has been 3/4 non white at multiple times in it's history. By a definition of whiteness imposed by society, the us has been majority non white for about two centuries. Under an inclusive view which includes all people who self identify as white, it will remain majority white indefinitely.

Speaking of, projections of non whiteness based on census data - which is not a genetic survey, surround the percentage of families described as multiethnic or multiracial. 80% of these families have at least one white parent. The other parent, amusingly, only "non-white" on account of hispanic - ignoring that there are white and non white hispanics - the error of census questions laid bare. Are these children white babies, are they members of a white race? I have as little interest in what society thinks as any polish or irish or italian immigrant, or indeed as any member of a multiracial or multiethnic family would.

Society can think whatever they want for whatever that's worth. You expressed that you felt compelled to acknowledge a reality in which whites were being replaced. If 80% of the children that are expected to create this churning of non whiteness are white babies....or will, in fact - even within two generations will - identify on a census as white...as so many other immigrant non whites before them down through the centuries - then we're at an impasse between your position and reality until such time as -you- can provide whatever -you- think -you- mean when -you- claim that whites are being replaced.

What is being replaced. How do you identify a white baby, in order to say that whites need to make more of them to avoid becoming a minority?

[Irreligious Atheist]

That's not true either.  Society defined southern and eastern europeans, irish too, as non white.  Each of these is, today, counted as white.  New york has been 3/4 non white at multiple times in it's history.  By a definition of whiteness imposed by society, the us has been majority non white for about two centuries.  Under an inclusive view which includes all people who self identify as white, it will remain majority white indefinitely.

Speaking of, projections of non whiteness based on census data - which is not a genetic survey, surround the percentage of families described as multiethnic or multiracial.  80% of these families have at least one white parent.  Are these children white babies, are they members of a white race?  I have as little interest in what society thinks as any polish or irish or italian immigrant, or indeed as any member of a multiracial or multiethnic family would.  

Society can think whatever they want for whatever that's worth.  You expressed that you felt compelled to acknowledge a reality in which whites were being replaced.  If 80% of the children that are expected to create this churrning of non whiteness will, in fact - or even within two generations will, ibn fact, be white - then we're at an impasse between your position and reality until such time as -you- can probvide whatever -you- think -you- mean when -you- claim that whites are being replaced.

What is being replaced.  How do you identify a white baby, in order to say that whites need to make more of them to avoid becoming a minority?

Maybe the Irish and Italians didn't used to be white, and then they were accepted into the white fam by society and that's what made them white. "White" is an invented term that means whatever society wants it to mean. It's not necessarily some set in stone thing that can't change over time.

If a black person and a white person have a baby, it would be multi-racial, but society sees that baby as black, and that child will very rarely identify with their white side, and instead prefer to be called black, and so they will be counted as black. That child will be more likely to have brown skin than pale skin.

What society considers white at this time and place in history is what's being replaced. Their numbers are projected to shrink and the numbers of others are projected to grow.

[The Grand Nudger]

If white is an invented term, in what reality, a reality that you were compelled to acknowledge, do whites need to have more babies? If these babies are themselves conceptualy white, or will be, as we have every expectation, in what fantasy of white, do whites need to have more babies?

You repeatedly indicated that this was a position you genuinely held. Was this not true? Not even the concept of white is being replaced in society. Many (and in the us, a very large many) non whites already consider themselves to be white with no regard to what you think of them, as an individual - or as a representative of some smaller subset of society.

As we always have. If whiteness is asserted rather than any biological reality, as you now appear to be suggesting and as I would agree - are the birth rates of one genetic community or another even relevant to the number of whites in the world at a given time? Why would having more or less babies alter the number of whites if the number of whites is unrelated to the status of a childs race in reality, if there is such a reality?

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If a black person and a white person have a baby, it would be multi-racial, but society sees that baby as black, and that child will very rarely identify with their white side, and instead prefer to be called black, and so they will be counted as black. That child will be more likely to have brown skin than pale skin.

Wrong again.  Just profoundly, absurdly wrong. Neither self identification nor societal perception rest on an underlying biological reality, and the color of our skin and any other identifying moniker have everything to do with our local genetics rather than any national (let alone global) race. How many of these things would you have to be wrong about before it altered some other opinion or predilection based on the belief that you were in possession of facts?

[The Architect Of Fate]

The White minority myth is just that a myth and anyone who promotes it is promoting a falsehood

[The Grand Nudger]

It's become a compelling falsehood. Everyone, literally everyone..... overestimates the number of non whites.... especially non whites.

Demographers, for their part, note that whiteness in america has proceeded in such a way as to turn any current biological reality of immigration or birth rate into the largest boom of whiteness in recorded history. Every past instance has been so. As recorded by that future census. Non whites may, over the course of the next few decades, see demographic marginalization greater than at any point in the past by brute numbers - and not...as it so happens, based on any difference between their genetic makeup and the genetic makeup of.....whites......whatever the hell that is.

[HappySkeptic]

I have a question - should race and degree of melanin be a point of identity and pride?

I have always been taught that people should be regarded as people regardless of race. I have been told multiple times by minority pundits or woke people that this is entirely wrong. I must see a black person as a black person. To see them as just a person would be to deny part of who they are.

[The Grand Nudger]

What you see as a black person simply is what it is, but there's no genetic reality undergirding that. That guy you see in my thumbnail image is demographically non white, as are all of my many children.

No fertility crisis here - I'd suggest that other conceptually white men who fear as much see a doctor immediately.

[The Grand Nudger]

We can put this in completely simple and certain terms. When our friend IA implored us, as one advocate of liberal democracy to another, to let white supremacists and christian dominionists and islamic extremists to have their way.

Freedom for all.

Was there some cogent expectation that people who are not whatever any ayran purist might accept as white would go along with such a suicidal suggestion? Do I let them do their thing, and simply hope that they continue to see me and my children as white, and are we white enough, and what would the consequence of a shift in perception...with..obviously, no biological change involved, be..if I did? Am I not having enough children? If I had fewer children would I be more white,..less? Do I face erasure? It;s all completely absurd before we even get to the idea that a census projection is a valid piece of evidence for anything.

The notion was that a jewspiracy was the nutter part. Nope. At least there are jews to conspire. There is no white replacement occurring. None. It's a meaningless bit of propaganda and absolutely nothing more. Jew space laser makes more sense. Reptiloid elites from the hollow center of the earth makes more sense. There is space, there are lasers, there are reptiles, there is an earth. There is no white replacement. It's not even fucking possible to replace whites through breeding, that's not how whiteness works.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If white is an invented term, in what reality, a reality that you were compelled to acknowledge, do whites need to have more babies?  If these babies are themselves conceptualy white, or will be, as we have every expectation, in what fantasy of white, do whites need to have more babies?

You repeatedly indicated that this was a position you genuinely held.  Was this not true?  Not even the concept of white is being replaced in society.  Many (and in the us, a very large many) non whites already consider themselves to be white with no regard to what you think of them, as an individual - or as a representative of some smaller subset of society.  

As we always have.  If whiteness is asserted rather than any biological reality, as you now appear to be suggesting and as I would agree - are the birth rates of one genetic community or another even relevant to the number of whites in the world at a given time?  Why would having more or less babies alter the number of whites if the number of whites is unrelated to the status of a childs race in reality, if there is such a reality?

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If a black person and a white person have a baby, it would be multi-racial, but society sees that baby as black, and that child will very rarely identify with their white side, and instead prefer to be called black, and so they will be counted as black. That child will be more likely to have brown skin than pale skin.

Wrong again.  Just profoundly, absurdly wrong.  Neither self identification nor societal perception rest on an underlying biological reality, and the color of our skin and any other identifying moniker have everything to do with our local genetics rather than any national (let alone global)  race.  How many of these things would you have to be wrong about before it altered some other opinion or predilection based on the belief that you were in possession of facts?

I'll have to do some research into this, and if I'm wrong and the census projections are wrong, then great. There's nothing I like more than to be proven wrong, because then I gain more knowledge and have a better understanding of the world.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, you will have to do some research into this. There is no if. You are certainly and demonstrably wrong, by reference to the very data which you offered to support your own misapprehension. It is not at all that census projections are innacurate, but the the census projections, if accurate, do not support the white replacement narrative. If they're....right....then white replacement is wrong.

Will that, however, influence your general amenability to victimization and rights abrogation arguments?