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Faith is Feelings
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(February 20, 2021 at 5:12 am)Apollo Wrote: You got it all wrong—if god himself came out then you gotta ask the question, what is god made 9of? That’s more important question. Because anything that can interact with our reality gotta be made of the 5% of the stuff we are made of or else it’s ineffective at our level.

If you’re not asking that then you’re not asking question that matters (pun intended).

No. I asked the questions addressing the flaws in belief that I wanted to discuss. What God is made of(if he existed and appeared) is a different topic.

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#22
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Visit Christian forums and ask them how they hold on to such mad thing as faith. Maybe someone there will give you good answer.
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#23
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Thank you for the offer. I was more interested in asking the few Christians here what they thought.

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#24
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(February 21, 2021 at 9:29 am)Five Wrote: Thank you for the offer. I was more interested in asking the few Christians here what they thought.

Don't be ungrateful, little snot.
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(February 19, 2021 at 4:27 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(February 19, 2021 at 12:18 pm)Five Wrote: That is true. I have seen a lot of apologetics regarding the nature of God and the sacrifice of Christ that involve ignoring crucial evidence of his nature or reframing a "might makes right" ethics to be the best option.

Almighty God does not need apologists on His behalf.  We will all come to discover, one way or another, that there is only one God and that He is sovereign over all because He made all things, natural and supernatural, etc (John 1:3, Colossians 1:6), and that He is in fact merciful, selfless, faithful, good, true and just. All things notwithstanding, He declares that He will have the final say.  "...Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” - Hebrews 3:15

A subjective non-understanding of a person's ways does not make said ways in fact wrong.  

A word, if you care to read, on God's sovereignty and righteousness - 

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting That there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." - Isaiah 45:5-7

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9


"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." - Deuteronomy 32:4

If your claimed deity doesn't need human help, then why are you making a post to argue for him?
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(February 21, 2021 at 10:12 am)Eleven Wrote:
(February 21, 2021 at 9:29 am)Five Wrote: Thank you for the offer. I was more interested in asking the few Christians here what they thought.

Don't be ungrateful, little snot.

You really are a little ray of sunshine lately.
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#27
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(February 21, 2021 at 11:20 am)arewethereyet Wrote: You really are a little ray of sunshine lately.

Oh, you have no idea.
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#28
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(February 19, 2021 at 12:03 pm)Five Wrote: I was thinking about it recently, trying to section out why certain people join certain religions or believe in certain Gods. And I was thinking about the personal morality people accept and define for themselves.

Why join one religion versus another? I think it's because you personally don't agree with those other religions definition of God and morality. What if they were true? Is truth only the commandments you would reasonably tolerate from a God? Even within your own accepted religion, there are things that "God" could ask you to do that you would tell him "no" instead of obeying. If God pulled an Abraham and Isaac on you, would you do as he asked and kill your child? 

 If you said "yes" to that question...that's a different discussion. But if you said no, how can faith be defined as anything other than your own subjective morality? 

Would it change things if God himself came down and told you to do stuff directly? Could you trust a supernatural being that asked you to do something that you felt was morally wrong? What proof would you need to know that this supernatural visitor was God and not something evil?
Perceiving God directly through the 5 senses would only result in a debate on the issue. 

Scenario:  If a physical entity with the appearance of personhood were to materialize on the White House lawn and while saying “I’m God” (loud enough that it was recorded) levitated a foot above the ground, would that constitute proof that God is not hidden? As the Secret Service approached, this entity asked one agent to place his hand on the entity’s shoulder which the agent did, thus making the entity disappear. Later, in the briefing, the agent said the shoulder garment felt ‘velvety’, anything else you noticed? ‘Yes, as we approached this thing, there was an aroma of fruit, the closer we got the more pungent it became, much like orange blossoms’.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance which also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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#29
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(February 21, 2021 at 7:13 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Perceiving God directly through the 5 senses would only result in a debate on the issue. 

I don't know how to interpret this. Is this a list of things that you would need as proof that a God appearing before you was good versus evil?

I'm asking you, as a Christian, is there anything your God could command you to do that you would say "No/I can't do that"?

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#30
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(February 21, 2021 at 7:13 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(February 19, 2021 at 12:03 pm)Five Wrote: I was thinking about it recently, trying to section out why certain people join certain religions or believe in certain Gods. And I was thinking about the personal morality people accept and define for themselves.

Why join one religion versus another? I think it's because you personally don't agree with those other religions definition of God and morality. What if they were true? Is truth only the commandments you would reasonably tolerate from a God? Even within your own accepted religion, there are things that "God" could ask you to do that you would tell him "no" instead of obeying. If God pulled an Abraham and Isaac on you, would you do as he asked and kill your child? 

 If you said "yes" to that question...that's a different discussion. But if you said no, how can faith be defined as anything other than your own subjective morality? 

Would it change things if God himself came down and told you to do stuff directly? Could you trust a supernatural being that asked you to do something that you felt was morally wrong? What proof would you need to know that this supernatural visitor was God and not something evil?
Perceiving God directly through the 5 senses would only result in a debate on the issue. 

Scenario:  If a physical entity with the appearance of personhood were to materialize on the White House lawn and while saying “I’m God” (loud enough that it was recorded) levitated a foot above the ground, would that constitute proof that God is not hidden? As the Secret Service approached, this entity asked one agent to place his hand on the entity’s shoulder which the agent did, thus making the entity disappear. Later, in the briefing, the agent said the shoulder garment felt ‘velvety’, anything else you noticed? ‘Yes, as we approached this thing, there was an aroma of fruit, the closer we got the more pungent it became, much like orange blossoms’.

Put the crack pipe down.
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