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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 9:41 am
Another variation on the same theme. Yes, ofc the us has a bloody and oppressive history - but it also has a meaningful commitment in the present to break with that past.
Islamism, not so much. Islamism is very much like our own past. Here in the us it expresses itself as christian dominionism for obvious historical reasons. I think that you underestimate our ability to find new ways to fuck things up when you insist on repeats rewinds nd replays, though. At any rate, the cool thing about the kind of government we have, that sets it apart from allahs government, is our ability to change those documents when they become obsolete.
Do you have any revisions to magic book that you'd like for us to consider...such that rejection of islamism actually would be whatever double plus ungood thing you think it is?
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 3:06 pm
(April 4, 2021 at 9:41 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Another variation on the same theme. Yes, ofc the us has a bloody and oppressive history - but it also has a meaningful commitment in the present to break with that past.
Islamism, not so much. Islamism is very much like our own past. Here in the us it expresses itself as christian dominionism for obvious historical reasons. I think that you underestimate our ability to find new ways to fuck things up when you insist on repeats rewinds nd replays, though. At any rate, the cool thing about the kind of government we have, that sets it apart from allahs government, is our ability to change those documents when they become obsolete.
Do you have any revisions to magic book that you'd like for us to consider...such that rejection of islamism actually would be whatever double plus ungood thing you think it is?
No, America has a "dark and savage" history that included:
1-The massacre of a whole races -the native Americans-.
2-The utilizing and usage of the first Atomic weapon ever deployed against "civilians".
3-The enslaving of Africans.
America has a demonic history and it will keep paying for it if no serious fixes were done.
American barbarism is kept at bay because the far Right didn't make its coup there, but we all saw how close they were in Trump's era.
You should answer the questions about Islamism for yourself because I frankly don't see the "ISIS" beards but when American invasions are happening 
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 3:51 pm
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Quote:No, America has a "dark and savage" history that included:
Name me a country that doesn't?
Quote:1-The massacre of whole races -the native Americans-.
There are more native Americans now than ever, And most natives died of disease, not warfare, And Native Americans have been massacring each other long before Europeans came.
Quote:2-The utilizing and usage of the first Atomic weapon ever deployed against "civilians".
The Axis was developing atomic weapons too and they would have used them on civilian targets without question, And only one bomb was used against a civilian target after Japan refused to surrender and end a war that had killed millions. A war they helped start. So the blood is on their hands for choosing war over peaceful surrender.
Quote:3-The enslaving of Africans.
Your kind enslaved millions of Africans and quite a few Europeans I might add. So where is your outrage over that?
Quote:America has a demonic history and it will keep paying for it if no serious fixes were done.
American has no more brutal history than any other nation and every nation will pay for its past at some point.
Quote:American barbarism is kept at bay because the far Right didn't make its coup there, but we all saw how close they were in Trump's era.
So was Trump in charge in WW2 and the age of Colonialism? I'm confused 
Quote:You should answer the questions about Islamism for yourself because I frankly don't see the "ISIS" beards but when American invasions are happening
Then you're delusional
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 4:17 pm
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 4:20 pm
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 7:30 pm
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(April 4, 2021 at 3:06 pm)WinterHold Wrote: No, America has a "dark and savage" history that included:
1-The massacre of a whole races -the native Americans-.
2-The utilizing and usage of the first Atomic weapon ever deployed against "civilians".
3-The enslaving of Africans.
America has a demonic history and it will keep paying for it if no serious fixes were done.
American barbarism is kept at bay because the far Right didn't make its coup there, but we all saw how close they were in Trump's era.
You should answer the questions about Islamism for yourself because I frankly don't see the "ISIS" beards but when American invasions are happening
None of that sounds like a revision of your obsolete documents. Until you can offer up serious fixes, a person can continue to reject islamism for all of the same reasons they reject christian dominionism - and no matter how frustrated that makes you, it's not discrimination.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 4, 2021 at 8:13 pm
(April 4, 2021 at 7:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (April 4, 2021 at 3:06 pm)WinterHold Wrote: No, America has a "dark and savage" history that included:
1-The massacre of a whole races -the native Americans-.
2-The utilizing and usage of the first Atomic weapon ever deployed against "civilians".
3-The enslaving of Africans.
America has a demonic history and it will keep paying for it if no serious fixes were done.
American barbarism is kept at bay because the far Right didn't make its coup there, but we all saw how close they were in Trump's era.
You should answer the questions about Islamism for yourself because I frankly don't see the "ISIS" beards but when American invasions are happening
None of that sounds like a revision of your obsolete documents. Until you can offer up serious fixes, a person can continue to reject islamism for all of the same reasons they reject christian dominionism - and no matter how frustrated that makes you, it's not discrimination.
I can’t imagine myself discriminating against a Muslim. I can’t imagine myself NOT discriminating against an Islamist.
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 5, 2021 at 7:00 am
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whataboutism is very important in staying with Islam because frequently when you ask some Muslim how can he worship a book like Quran that is basically a manual on terrorism dictated by an illiterate pedophile who fucked his aunt's corpse, the answer usually is: "Because Americans have a dark past."
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 5, 2021 at 8:39 am
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(April 4, 2021 at 8:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 4, 2021 at 7:30 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: None of that sounds like a revision of your obsolete documents. Until you can offer up serious fixes, a person can continue to reject islamism for all of the same reasons they reject christian dominionism - and no matter how frustrated that makes you, it's not discrimination.
I can’t imagine myself discriminating against a Muslim. I can’t imagine myself NOT discriminating against an Islamist.
Boru Whereas I couldn't claim that I would definitely toss an islamist out of my sandwich shop. Too used to them. Familiarity and contact change our behaviors even when they don't change our minds. I've helped islamists, harmed islamists, helped islamists to harm islamists, lived with them, even loved them.
Personal tick I suppose, but if I met a hungry islamist on his way to destroy the great satan, I'd be equally inclined to feed him as I am to shoot at him. Have fun storming the castle, boys. All of this being purely conversational - as the thing that Winter is griping about is something like hilarious, not like discrimination.
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RE: why not religionism ?
April 5, 2021 at 1:39 pm
(March 31, 2021 at 3:40 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Racism is called "racism", but discrimination against a religion is called "xenophobia".
Why is it not called "religionism" ?
i'm sure someone has pointed this out already but just incase..
xenophobia
- n.
A fear of strangers or foreigners.
- n.
A strong antipathy or aversion to strangers or foreigners.
- n.
a fear of foreigners or strangers
As you can see Xenophobia has nothing to do with religion but a fear of strange or foreign people.
so why isn't religion called religionism meant as a identifier of hate? because religion is not intrinsically hateful. rather in some religions hate can be identified like xenophobia or even racism but the idea of all religion needs to be identified as a form of hate is not an intellectually honest assessment of all religion.
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