Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

[The Architect Of Fate]

Unless you can show that the consequences of denying abortion makes forced organ donations likely to occur, the argument is invalid. 

Nope if you can justify one violation you can justify another. They are of a category unlike your example with was not.

The fact that abortions have already been outlawed for much of history, and no such event ever occurred, demonstrates that this is a slippery slope fallacy.

Considering for most of history bodily autonomy has not been given much consideration ( Especially the autonomy of women) this is not a slippery slope fallacy.

[John 6IX Breezy]

Like most things, making abortions illegal doesn't make them not exist.  They just exist under unsafe conditions.

Perhaps, but given that people have tried doing liposuctions, vasectomies, and other legal procedures at home resulting in death or injury, making it legal won't prevent unsafe attempts either (although it might be a necessary first step towards creating safe alternatives). Accessibility and anonymity might play a stronger role in safer abortions, but I assume it will never be easy for a teenager to go get an abortion behind their parents back regardless of legality, so there will always be unsafe attempts.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Making it legal HAS reduced unsafe abortions. The fact it won't totally eliminate it is irrelivant.

[arewethereyet]

Like most things, making abortions illegal doesn't make them not exist.  They just exist under unsafe conditions.

Perhaps, but given that people have tried doing liposuctions, vasectomies, and other legal procedures at home resulting in death or injury, making it legal won't prevent unsafe attempts either (although it might be a necessary first step towards creating safe alternatives). Accessibility and anonymity might play a stronger role in safer abortions, but I assume it will never be easy for a teenager to go get an abortion behind their parents back regardless of legality, so there will always be unsafe attempts.

Which is exactly what I meant when saying that making something illegal doesn't mean they no longer exist.

But thanks for spelling it out.  I thought you got it when I posted it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

When you make abortion illegal you take away any regulations on it and make it a criminal enterprise.

[John 6IX Breezy]

Making it legal HAS reduced unsafe abortions. The fact it won't totally eliminate it is irrelivant.

If you think abortion is an autonomy issue, why do you have a problem with someone deciding to do it at home even under unsafe conditions? Are people not allowed to take risks with their body?

[The Architect Of Fate]

You are attributing to law what can be better attributed to medicine. But if you think abortion is an autonomy issue, why do you have a problem with someone deciding to do it at home even under unsafe conditions? Are people not allowed to take risks with their body?

This is a silly argument 

Being happy women don't have to go to the shady back-alley clinics and that such places are not legal and that clinics have to actually follow medical standards and liable if they don't. Along with discouraging women from doing a medical procedure on themselves. Has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.

Silly just silly 

[John 6IX Breezy]

 Along with discouraging women from doing a medical procedure on themselves. Has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.

It certainly does. You are dictating what they can do with their body by placing an asterisk regarding how they are allowed to do it. By parallel reasoning, mechanics also have to follow certain standards and are liable for damages, but presumably you wouldn't prevent people from changing their oil at home, even if the risk of ending up dead underneath a car is not zero.

ps. "Discouraging" is a rather ironic, if not dishonest, word choice, wouldn't you agree?

[arewethereyet]

You are attributing to law what can be better attributed to medicine. But if you think abortion is an autonomy issue, why do you have a problem with someone deciding to do it at home even under unsafe conditions? Are people not allowed to take risks with their body?

This is a silly argument 

Being happy women don't have to go to the shady back-alley clinics and that such places are not legal and that clinics have to actually follow medical standards and liable if they don't. Along with discouraging women from doing a medical procedure on themselves. Has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.

Silly just silly 

I've known several women over the years who have made the decision to abort...at that moment in their lives, I would call none of them happy.  But at least they felt somewhat safe in a controlled clinical environment.

[The Architect Of Fate]

It certainly does. You are dictating what they can do with their body by placing an asterisk regarding how they are allowed to do it. 

No, I'm not saying you want clinics to follow safety standards and wanting clinics that don't exist is not a violation of autonomy. As for the subject of doing it at home please quote where I said that should be illegal? Spoilers I never said that I said discouraged as in I think it's a good idea and think women should be informed that it's not a good idea. But I never said make it illegal.

By parallel reasoning, mechanics also have to follow certain rules and standards, they are also liable for damages and problems, and they are likewise trained professionals. But presumably, you wouldn't "discourage" people from changing their oil and tires at home, even if the risk of ending up dead underneath a car is not zero.

Too bad I never said doing it at home should be illegal. Maybe try reading what wrote next time. Oh changing oil is significantly less risky and significantly easier than performing a medical procedure on yourself. So this is a bad comparison. 

ps. "Discouraging" is a rather dishonest word choice, wouldn't you agree?

Nope, it's exactly what I meant. Women should be informed of the danger of home abortion and discouraged from pursuing it. That does not violate autonomy.