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Raising the minimum wage won't help
RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
When the government implemented tougher rules some years ago requiring more employers to provide health insurance for full-time employees, a whole BUNCH of people around here had their hours cut to 32 hours per week so the employers wouldn't have to pay for their health insurance.   Years later, those places (grocery store Food Lion comes to mind) STILL don't hire 40 hour per week employees.  Many of those same employees had to take on second jobs to make ends meet.  And in more skilled careers where hours were cut to 32 per week an awful lot of THOSE *salaried* employees were (and still are) required to still get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 hours.

And lets not forget the fact that employers have to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp insurance and contribute to their social security and Medicare for each employee.  An increase of min wg to $15 per hour will cause many employers to cut staff, do less hiring in the future, and set impossible expectations of workload for the employees they keep around.

I know college graduates who don't make $15 per hour.  That comes to $31,200 per year.  Nobody whose job is to say "do you want fries with that" is worth $15 per hour.

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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
That's an opinion that can get straw built onto your persona and then set afire, around here.  Dodgy I have no straw or flames for you or anyone else, though. Good luck!
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I think that you're right, it will cause many employers o do that, even if it isn't a requirement, even if it's deleterious to their operation. Ever was it thus. Employers aren't smart or efficient, they're merely what's left. It's very difficult to escape this realization when you watch them in action. Specifically so when your observations revolve around hiring decisions.
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Quote:And lets not forget the fact that employers have to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp insurance and contribute to their social security and Medicare for each employee.  An increase of min wg to $15 per hour will cause many employers to cut staff, do less hiring in the future, and set impossible expectations of workload for the employees they keep around
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Quote:When the government implemented tougher rules some years ago requiring more employers to provide health insurance for full-time employees, a whole BUNCH of people around here had their hours cut to 32 hours per week so the employers wouldn't have to pay for their health insurance.   Years later, those places (grocery store Food Lion comes to mind) STILL don't hire 40 hour per week employees.  Many of those same employees had to take on second jobs to make ends meet.  And in more skilled careers where hours were cut to 32 per week an awful lot of THOSE *salaried* employees were (and still are) required to still get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 hours.
Just because employers aren't following the rules because they are greedy assholes says nothing about the concept 


Quote:I know college graduates who don't make $15 per hour.  That comes to $31,200 per year.  Nobody whose job is to say "do you want fries with that" is worth $15 per hour.

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It seems to me as though what non full stop misanthropes intend to argue, is that other people are worth more..no that some are worth less. ...but..surprise.... the american economy sees a degree holder as a potential mc-employee.

In fact..........
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(June 14, 2021 at 6:59 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: When the government implemented tougher rules some years ago requiring more employers to provide health insurance for full-time employees, a whole BUNCH of people around here had their hours cut to 32 hours per week so the employers wouldn't have to pay for their health insurance.   Years later, those places (grocery store Food Lion comes to mind) STILL don't hire 40 hour per week employees.  Many of those same employees had to take on second jobs to make ends meet.  And in more skilled careers where hours were cut to 32 per week an awful lot of THOSE *salaried* employees were (and still are) required to still get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 hours.

And lets not forget the fact that employers have to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp insurance and contribute to their social security and Medicare for each employee.  An increase of min wg to $15 per hour will cause many employers to cut staff, do less hiring in the future, and set impossible expectations of workload for the employees they keep around.

So, raising the minimum wage is bad because some employers are going to skirt the law so they don't have to actually follow it. Got it.
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(June 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(June 14, 2021 at 6:59 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: When the government implemented tougher rules some years ago requiring more employers to provide health insurance for full-time employees, a whole BUNCH of people around here had their hours cut to 32 hours per week so the employers wouldn't have to pay for their health insurance.   Years later, those places (grocery store Food Lion comes to mind) STILL don't hire 40 hour per week employees.  Many of those same employees had to take on second jobs to make ends meet.  And in more skilled careers where hours were cut to 32 per week an awful lot of THOSE *salaried* employees were (and still are) required to still get 40 hours worth of work done in 32 hours.

And lets not forget the fact that employers have to pay for unemployment insurance and worker's comp insurance and contribute to their social security and Medicare for each employee.  An increase of min wg to $15 per hour will cause many employers to cut staff, do less hiring in the future, and set impossible expectations of workload for the employees they keep around.

So, raising the minimum wage is bad because some employers are going to skirt the law so they don't have to actually follow it. Got it.

Only the ones that want to stay profitable.


You dumbasses think you can legislate a market.


Ask the Soviets.... See how well that works out.

Oh - wait... No Soviets anymore....

The Russians are still paying for the stupidity you want to jump headlong into....
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(June 16, 2021 at 12:05 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(June 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, raising the minimum wage is bad because some employers are going to skirt the law so they don't have to actually follow it. Got it.

Only the ones that want to stay profitable.


You dumbasses think you can legislate a market.


Ask the Soviets.... See how well that works out.

Oh - wait... No Soviets anymore....

The Russians are still paying for the stupidity you want to jump headlong into....

What do you see as the central failure of the CCCP economic model?
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RE: Raising the minimum wage won't help
(June 16, 2021 at 12:05 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(June 15, 2021 at 11:31 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, raising the minimum wage is bad because some employers are going to skirt the law so they don't have to actually follow it. Got it.

Only the ones that want to stay profitable.


You dumbasses think you can legislate a market.


Ask the Soviets.... See how well that works out.

Oh - wait... No Soviets anymore....

The Russians are still paying for the stupidity you want to jump headlong into....

Does it bother you at all that your labour market is being regulated by people who want to be paid more?

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