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Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 9:56 am
(June 2, 2021 at 9:41 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 8:48 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: No explanation was needed. Brian37 took the liberty to interject on your behalf. I fully understood what you meant.

Since it seems this thread has gone off the rails I suppose I can answer your questions rather quickly. I will number them so as to help you follow along.

1) Do you agree that Zeus exists as a concept, yes or no? YES
Great. The concept of Zeus exists as a concept.
(June 2, 2021 at 8:48 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: 2) Do you believe in Zeus as a real god, yes or no? YES
Nonsense. You are claiming that if you go to Greece and climb Mount Olympus that you will find Zeus sitting in his palace hurling lightning bolts at those who displease him. Really?

Why on earth would you believe such a foolish thing?

(June 2, 2021 at 8:48 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: 3) Do you hate Zeus or are you indifferent to him? Which is it? Yes, I hate Zeus
Why would you hate an imaginary figment of an ancient mythology?

How about Sauron? Lord Voldemort? Morgoth? Unicorns? Pixies? The Nac Mac Feegle? Crom? Cthulhu?

(June 2, 2021 at 8:48 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: I hope this answers your questions.
Nope. It just opens up more. For example, is there any claimed concept of a god that you believe is not a real entity?
The Nac Mac Feegle? Lol, that's a new one for me. I guess the FSM. Although, I suppose it could manifest itself within our reality, by that I mean in a perceptible, outward, or visible expression.
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:14 am
[Image: icon_quote.jpg]This Guy:
Which parts are to be taken literally, the ones that reenforce your views?

[Image: icon_quote.jpg]Juan Perez:
That is a whole topic within itself that may be more appropriate on another thread.

Excellent dodge!

Who did you train under? Barry Sanders?
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:16 am
(June 2, 2021 at 9:56 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: The Nac Mac Feegle? Lol, that's a new one for me. I guess the FSM. Although, I suppose it could manifest itself within our reality, by that I mean in a perceptible, outward, or visible expression.
Now your claim has morphed into stating you believe in all claimed god/s with the exception of the FSM, maybe.

You understand that is in direct opposition to Baptist beliefs, right?
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:16 am
(June 2, 2021 at 6:05 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 5:48 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: That is a whole topic within itself that may be more appropriate on another thread.

I'm guilty of bringing that up, at the risk of derailing the thread. 

My original point was that many of the atheists here reject the Bible because they think Christians have to believe in talking snakes, etc. They are very much unaware of how hermeneutics work. As Terry Eagleton says, they "buy their atheism on the cheap," by describing a simplified caricature of Christianity, and pretending that's all there is. It's frustrating because it's ignorant.

But I'll drop it now. No more responses on that topic from me.

I don't think taking out the talking animals would affect my overall assessment of the Bible as a collection of fables, fiction, folk wisdom, legends, myths, poetry, and propaganda.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:19 am
(June 2, 2021 at 10:14 am)no one Wrote: [Image: icon_quote.jpg]This Guy:
Which parts are to be taken literally, the ones that reenforce your views?

[Image: icon_quote.jpg]Juan Perez:
That is a whole topic within itself that may be more appropriate on another thread.

Excellent dodge!

Who did you train under? Barry Sanders?
What's wrong with Barry Sanders? He was an awesome player.
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:27 am
Exactly my point.
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:33 am
(June 2, 2021 at 6:37 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: As for Atheist, I have pretty much given up on debating and arguing over doctrine with them. I now more so want to understand the individual and why they believe sorry not believe the way they do. I am done trying to convince atheists as to why I believe what I believe. Sure I will tell them if they ask and of course, I will be ridiculed and called names and nothing I say will ever convince them, and I'm ok with that. They have made up their mind and I have made up mine, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy their company and talk with them. 

I think I can manage a conversation with a theist without ridiculing them and calling them names provided that I am extended the same courtesy.
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 10:48 am (This post was last modified: June 2, 2021 at 11:09 am by Fake Messiah.)
(June 2, 2021 at 6:37 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: As for Atheist, I have pretty much given up on debating and arguing over doctrine with them. I now more so want to understand the individual and why they believe sorry not believe the way they do.

Start with understanding yourself because you're also an atheist when it comes to Poseidon, Krishna, Ra, Allah, Xenu, and all other gods that are not the ones that you believe in.

[Image: what-is-like-atheist.jpg]
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 12:11 pm (This post was last modified: June 2, 2021 at 12:14 pm by johndoe122931.)
(June 2, 2021 at 10:16 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 9:56 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: The Nac Mac Feegle? Lol, that's a new one for me. I guess the FSM. Although, I suppose it could manifest itself within our reality, by that I mean in a perceptible, outward, or visible expression.
Now your claim has morphed into stating you believe in all claimed god/s with the exception of the FSM, maybe.

You understand that is in direct opposition to Baptist beliefs, right?
How so?
(June 2, 2021 at 10:33 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 6:37 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: As for Atheist, I have pretty much given up on debating and arguing over doctrine with them. I now more so want to understand the individual and why they believe sorry not believe the way they do. I am done trying to convince atheists as to why I believe what I believe. Sure I will tell them if they ask and of course, I will be ridiculed and called names and nothing I say will ever convince them, and I'm ok with that. They have made up their mind and I have made up mine, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy their company and talk with them. 

I think I can manage a conversation with a theist without ridiculing them and calling them names provided that I am extended the same courtesy.
That's why I like you!
(June 2, 2021 at 10:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 6:37 am)johndoe122931 Wrote: As for Atheist, I have pretty much given up on debating and arguing over doctrine with them. I now more so want to understand the individual and why they believe sorry not believe the way they do.

Start with understanding yourself because you're also an atheist when it comes to Poseidon, Krishna, Ra, Allah, Xenu, and all other gods that are not the ones that you believe in.

[Image: what-is-like-atheist.jpg]
No, I am not. I do believe in all of them.
(June 2, 2021 at 10:27 am)no one Wrote: Exactly my point.
What point is that?
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RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 2, 2021 at 12:18 pm
(June 2, 2021 at 12:11 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:
Fake Messiah
[quote pid='2040957' dateline='1622645312']
Start with understanding yourself because you're also an atheist when it comes to Poseidon, Krishna, Ra, Allah, Xenu, and all other gods that are not the ones that you believe in.

[Image: what-is-like-atheist.jpg]
No, I am not. I do believe in all of them.

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  Wait?

You believe in all supernatural claims? Or just 'All' diety' claims?

  Huh 

Not at work.
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