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[Thumpalumpacus]

It's interesting to see how our beliefs have moved on now, and how we hold that not all true statements require objective evidence. I suppose it's not surprising that the old guys get left behind.

It's almost like you don't understand the difference between objective and subjective truths.

"That point over there is 120 degrees to my port" is pretty different from "That point over there is at XYZ coordinate" which is pretty different from "This is a big glowing object off to the side".

Are you truly human? Can you prove that objectively to me? I'm assuming you hold self-existence to be a truth. Can you demonstrate it?

[The Grand Nudger]

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Biological sex is an objective truth. Sexuality is subjective truth. Gender is a relative truth.

For funsies...am I human?

-Objectively? Yes. Can I demonstrate that? Yes.
-Subjectively? No. Can I demonstrate that? Yes.
-Relatively? Sometimes. Can I demonstrate that? Yes.

[TheWhiteMarten]

The issue arises when people try to insert gender in the realm of biological sex; that what one internally identifies as gives them rights to places like bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, settings with young children, etc.

While most conservatives will tell you they are opposed to this behavior at a moral level, most will also tell you that as long as the individual keeps it in their own home we truly do not care; if it hadn't been shoved on us for the last decade or two we would likely not even know it existed to such a large degree.

[Belacqua]

Are you truly human? Can you prove that objectively to me? I'm assuming you hold self-existence to be a truth. Can you demonstrate it?

I think you may be arguing with someone else here -- not me.

I am not one of those who holds that everything we believe must be proven with objective evidence. Some people hold that. Apparently Coyne, Pinker, and Dawkins do. But I do not.

[Deesse23]

that what one internally identifies as gives them rights to places like ... settings with young children, etc.

Regarding "settings with children" you should be more concerned about closeted pedophiles than openly trans or whatever people. Is there a specific reason you arent even trying to hide your bigotry?

if it hadn't been shoved on us

Trans people are shoving their indentity as much upon you as you are shoving your christian bigotry on everyone else here. Why does your "religious view" in the profile show "christian". Why not keep it to yourself? While most atheists will tell you they are opposed being a bigoted christian at a moral level, most will also tell you that as long you keeps it in your own home we truly do not care. I would hesitate to give you access to settings with children tho, given the fact how many christian catholic priests are sexually abusing them. Whats the rate of trans people abusing children again? And whats the rate of the LGBT community shuffling known offenders around to other settings with kids?

[Belacqua]

^ I'll leave it to others to dismantle this idiocy.

I hope that someone with a large audience will address the idiocy of Dawkins, Coyne, and Pinker denying that trans women are women. 

It isn't the first time that the New Atheist types are guilty of pushing the thinking appropriate to science onto non-scientific questions. Ethics, metaphysics, and subjective states of being are not in their realm of expertise.

[Fake Messiah]

It isn't the first time that the New Atheist types are guilty of pushing the thinking appropriate to science onto non-scientific questions. Ethics, metaphysics, and subjective states of being are not in their realm of expertise.

If you think that ethics is beyond someone's realm just because he is an atheist, then you don't know what ethics is.

The other thing is that it's the atheists who are tolerant of trans people, and not Christians or Muslims or Hindus. So your claim of "new atheism" non tolerance of trans people is ridiculous.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The issue arises when people try to insert gender in the realm of biological sex; that what one internally identifies as gives them rights to places like bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, settings with young children, etc.

While most conservatives will tell you they are opposed to this behavior at a moral level, most will also tell you that as long as the individual keeps it in their own home we truly do not care; if it hadn't been shoved on us for the last decade or two we would likely not even know it existed to such a large degree.

(Bold mine)

Transexuals are shoving their behaviour on you? As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, I wish you joy.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

The issue arises when people try to insert gender in the realm of biological sex; that what one internally identifies as gives them rights to places like bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, settings with young children, etc.

Oh yeah, is that when the problem arises?  So..when you need to piss, do you go to the men's room or the male's room? Do the little people on the doors have dicks..or wear dresses? I love the "settings with young children". It's so deliciously vague. Maybe it's selling them porn, maybe it's existing within 20 feet of them. Why choose, amiright? I'll believe conservatives give a shit about young children when they stop fucking them.

[Nanny]

Let me translate

"Shoving it down our throats" = I liked it better when nobody talked about stuff I don't like. My fragile personality feels threatened by anything different from what I believe. How intolerant of THEM to make ME aware of THEIR issues. WaaAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

"Biological sex" = the only time I invoke science in my life.