Why did God allow his words to be changed?

[onlinebiker]

It' s very simple.

Mental illness - including narcissism are found in every generation.

And "God' s voice" is the ultimate stroke for the self centered fucks that write - and re-write this drivel.


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The "Bible" will quit getting re- written when we conquer mental illness -  and the damned thing will be just a curious old book of poorly written fiction.

[Angrboda]

I'm reminded of the line from the Dark Crystal that writing is words that stay. Religion in general, and scriptural religion specifically, is an attempt to place a breakwater against the forces of change which would undermine what a group of people value. As such, the existence of a written scripture is itself a testament to the fact that things change, and without the anchoring in a supposedly immovable text, those things codified as sacred in the text will eventually disappear. The writing itself is tacit admission that no god is in control making sure that things remain on track, and that it is only the weak and relatively powerless human actors who can make that happen by creating friction for change to overcome. But reality has more tricks than scripture has answers for, so while the text may remain fixed, how people interpret and use that text will continue to shift under the text.

[Spongebob]

There's virtually no way to get a Christian, at least not a protestant, evangelical or certainly not a fundamentalist, to admit one iota of agreement on this subject. I think some Orthodox or Catholics might make better conversation about it. The problem is one of absolute belief. If that exists then there is an impenetrable barrier to reason and reality and there is no end to the special pleading or other logical fallacies said believer is willing to engage to avoid the cognitive dissonance that comes with admitting that their infallible word of god is nonsense. I've engaged with hundreds of Christians on this subject and it always ends the same way, me with less hair.

But aside from the argument of a changing Bible that has endured countless copies and revisions, I'm far more interested in all the religious texts that didn't make cannon. We now know that this is probably far more voluminous that the Bible itself. We have some of those texts and they raise some powerful questions that cause Christians to twitch incoherently. Just imagine what it would be like if early priests hadn't destroyed most of those texts. I want those freakin texts!

[HappySkeptic]

Religion in general, and scriptural religion specifically, is an attempt to place a breakwater against the forces of change which would undermine what a group of people value.  As such, the existence of a written scripture is itself a testament to the fact that things change, and without the anchoring in a supposedly immovable text, those things codified as sacred in the text will eventually disappear.

Even when I was a Christian, I recognized that religions require a book.

If you look at the evolution of life, it requires replication with only small changes.  Those small changes may eventually result in something new via natural selection, but without mostly-accurate gene copying, the species cannot reproduce and survive.

A spiritual movement without a holy book is just a short-lived cult.  Add in a book, and it becomes a religion.

[The Grand Nudger]

For the vast majority of time that people have been religious, we didn't write.

What religion requires, the only thing that religion requires - is that a group of people strongly agree on value assertions regarding life and how to properly live it.

[HappySkeptic]

For the vast majority of time that people have been religious, we didn't write.

What religion requires, the only thing that religion requires - is that a group of people strongly agree on value assertions regarding life and how to properly live it.

It is true that the shaman/priest can keep the religion going with word-of-mouth copying.  That is less resilient to change, but perhaps that is a plus, as the holy men can adapt to the times.

As for "people strongly agree on value assertions" - I don't think that is all it takes to make a religion, and I'm saying that as a member of a religion that has no book or creed.  Is MAGA a religion?

[The Grand Nudger]

Is maga a religion and are the magats religious? For some of them, yes, certainly - and they're very much so.

Religion-a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say set apart and forbidden, beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community, called a church, all those who adhere to them.

Our politics are deeply informed by our religious ideas. The way we think the world should be is the way we would make the world wherever we found it wasn't. We're likely to believe that this is a good impulse, that this is a proper profession, and that it's motives are true. That the value system is itself value making for individuals and people.

[R00tKiT]

I'm reminded of the line from the Dark Crystal that writing is words that stay.  Religion in general, and scriptural religion specifically, is an attempt to place a breakwater against the forces of change which would undermine what a group of people value.  As such, the existence of a written scripture is itself a testament to the fact that things change, and without the anchoring in a supposedly immovable text, those things codified as sacred in the text will eventually disappear.  The writing itself is tacit admission that no god is in control making sure that things remain on track, and that it is only the weak and relatively powerless human actors who can make that happen by creating friction for change to overcome.  But reality has more tricks than scripture has answers for, so while the text may remain fixed, how people interpret and use that text will continue to shift under the text.

What a nice strawman you have there. Since when scripture or religion pretends it has answers to everything ? Do you have some a Qura'nic verse asserting that the Qur'an is the magical solution to all mankind's problems ? 

I'll wait.

[Angrboda]

I'm reminded of the line from the Dark Crystal that writing is words that stay.  Religion in general, and scriptural religion specifically, is an attempt to place a breakwater against the forces of change which would undermine what a group of people value.  As such, the existence of a written scripture is itself a testament to the fact that things change, and without the anchoring in a supposedly immovable text, those things codified as sacred in the text will eventually disappear.  The writing itself is tacit admission that no god is in control making sure that things remain on track, and that it is only the weak and relatively powerless human actors who can make that happen by creating friction for change to overcome.  But reality has more tricks than scripture has answers for, so while the text may remain fixed, how people interpret and use that text will continue to shift under the text.

What a nice strawman you have there. Since when scripture or religion pretends it has answers to everything ? Do you have some a Qura'nic verse asserting that the Qur'an is the magical solution to all mankind's problems ? 

I'll wait.

You're a moron. If you're going to accuse someone else of creating a strawman, try not to do so by creating a strawman yourself. Your words have dick to do with what I wrote.

Have fun waiting.

[Spongebob]

I'm reminded of the line from the Dark Crystal that writing is words that stay.  Religion in general, and scriptural religion specifically, is an attempt to place a breakwater against the forces of change which would undermine what a group of people value.  As such, the existence of a written scripture is itself a testament to the fact that things change, and without the anchoring in a supposedly immovable text, those things codified as sacred in the text will eventually disappear.  The writing itself is tacit admission that no god is in control making sure that things remain on track, and that it is only the weak and relatively powerless human actors who can make that happen by creating friction for change to overcome.  But reality has more tricks than scripture has answers for, so while the text may remain fixed, how people interpret and use that text will continue to shift under the text.

What a nice strawman you have there. Since when scripture or religion pretends it has answers to everything ? Do you have some a Qura'nic verse asserting that the Qur'an is the magical solution to all mankind's problems ? 

I'll wait.

Ridiculous.  Google the term "strawman".