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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 20, 2022 at 3:09 am
What I also tried to explain to you is that FBI's tactics have been questionable for the last decade or so. They find people online who have ideas (of let's say blowing up a government building), befriend them, and lead them to do it only to stop them at the last moment (like they set up a fake bomb and make them push a button). It's not some sort of conspiracy, it's just that people are questioning if these people would have done all this terrorist work without the FBI providing them with all of the resources.
Really, listen to the Radiolab episode in the link from my previous post.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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April 20, 2022 at 10:34 am
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They'd dropped the ball on domestic terrorism for decades before (and still do/are). So worried about islamic invaders that they failed to notice the white separatists. Some portion of their aggressiveness now is probably overwork to avoid falling back into their past poor performance - or being perceived as-such.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 20, 2022 at 1:02 pm
As far as I can tell, law-enforcement "entrapment" is entirely legal in the U.S. A jury can nullify, but there is nothing in law that prevents it.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 12:46 am
Whether it's legal or not, is it moral? And I know I can't for sure know why these things happen, but my hunch is that there are ulterior motives, because I look at who benefits in these things. Big news comes on the telly that a lone wolf jihadist terrorist attack was just foiled. The normies at home are thinking "thank god for our intelligence community". The intelligence community gets to jerk themselves off and basically say, "see, it's a good thing we have the Patriot Act and took a bunch of your civil liberties away, because that sacrifice by you is what's keeping you safe." And, the MIC potentially gets a bump in approval ratings for their disastrous wars on Muslim countries. Am I crazy for thinking about who benefits in these situations? Maybe, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Who benefits thanks to the Whitmer plot? Whitmer for one, who was going way overboard with lockdowns compared to other leaders. This plot turned Whitmer into a hero/ almost martyr of sorts, and was a blot on the name of people who didn't support that crazy level of lockdown. You could say it helped Democrats in general. Also, the Whitmer plot could be used as further justification for the new, upgraded Patriot Act that President Biden has talked about. Again, maybe I'm crazy, and maybe it's just a coincidence that all of these people benefit from the plot and maybe the FBI was just winging it and these are all just bonuses thrown in that they weren't even thinking about. I think powerful people have goals. Many people here seem to just think that all of these powerful people are just winging it as they go along. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 12:52 am
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April 21, 2022 at 8:41 am
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I love how quickly we've gone from "the cops sure do some shady shit when they're infiltrating extremist groups" to "Gretchen Whitmer false flagged her own kidnapping, read the transcripts !!???!11111"
Your decline may be accelerating IA. Even so, I think we both know that the us government doesn't really need any excuse for a patriot act 2.0. They'd do that because it was a tuesday.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 9:20 am
I'm not sure we want to discourage zeal in ferreting out terrorist plots.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 9:40 am
Ah, but the fbi are the real terrorists - they victimized all those poor white separatists and abrogated their rights - like we do.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 11:57 am
(April 21, 2022 at 12:46 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Whether it's legal or not, is it moral? And I know I can't for sure know why these things happen, but my hunch is that there are ulterior motives, because I look at who benefits in these things. Big news comes on the telly that a lone wolf jihadist terrorist attack was just foiled. The normies at home are thinking "thank god for our intelligence community". The intelligence community gets to jerk themselves off and basically say, "see, it's a good thing we have the Patriot Act and took a bunch of your civil liberties away, because that sacrifice by you is what's keeping you safe." And, the MIC potentially gets a bump in approval ratings for their disastrous wars on Muslim countries. Am I crazy for thinking about who benefits in these situations? Maybe, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Who benefits thanks to the Whitmer plot? Whitmer for one, who was going way overboard with lockdowns compared to other leaders. This plot turned Whitmer into a hero/ almost martyr of sorts, and was a blot on the name of people who didn't support that crazy level of lockdown. You could say it helped Democrats in general. Also, the Whitmer plot could be used as further justification for the new, upgraded Patriot Act that President Biden has talked about. Again, maybe I'm crazy, and maybe it's just a coincidence that all of these people benefit from the plot and maybe the FBI was just winging it and these are all just bonuses thrown in that they weren't even thinking about. I think powerful people have goals. Many people here seem to just think that all of these powerful people are just winging it as they go along. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.
There is no 'maybe' about your craziness.
It's been proven time and again right here on this forum.
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RE: Daily conspiracy
April 21, 2022 at 3:06 pm
(April 21, 2022 at 12:46 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Whether it's legal or not, is it moral? And I know I can't for sure know why these things happen, but my hunch is that there are ulterior motives, because I look at who benefits in these things. Big news comes on the telly that a lone wolf jihadist terrorist attack was just foiled. The normies at home are thinking "thank god for our intelligence community". The intelligence community gets to jerk themselves off and basically say, "see, it's a good thing we have the Patriot Act and took a bunch of your civil liberties away, because that sacrifice by you is what's keeping you safe." And, the MIC potentially gets a bump in approval ratings for their disastrous wars on Muslim countries. Am I crazy for thinking about who benefits in these situations? Maybe, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
Who benefits thanks to the Whitmer plot? Whitmer for one, who was going way overboard with lockdowns compared to other leaders. This plot turned Whitmer into a hero/ almost martyr of sorts, and was a blot on the name of people who didn't support that crazy level of lockdown. You could say it helped Democrats in general. Also, the Whitmer plot could be used as further justification for the new, upgraded Patriot Act that President Biden has talked about. Again, maybe I'm crazy, and maybe it's just a coincidence that all of these people benefit from the plot and maybe the FBI was just winging it and these are all just bonuses thrown in that they weren't even thinking about. I think powerful people have goals. Many people here seem to just think that all of these powerful people are just winging it as they go along. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.
You are off the deep end.
The only thing I agree with is that law enforcement has an incentive to entrap people. Judges and juries can throw out cases, but it helps law-enforcement careers and funding if more people are charged. The citizens are generally okay with this, as most people are pro-law-enforcement. A bad guy got entrapped? Who cares - he still did something that proved he was a bad guy.
I actually do care about the idea that someone who wouldn't otherwise have done a crime, was actively enticed to do so. I haven't seen such evidence here. Just having the FBI involved isn't entrapment. The right-wing wants this to be a Left-wing plot, when at worst it is a law-enforcement gray area that has existed for as long as I've been alive.
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