Daily conspiracy

[The Grand Nudger]

Looking as firm as ever.  One day you might want to explore your need to seek out confirmation on these things no matter how contrived or contorted.  How you've gone from worrying that these things might be true, to needing and or wanting them to be true.  That's the point at which the radicalizers responsibility for this nonsense has ended, and your own picked up the torch and took it from there.  Once upon a time, or so we've been lead to believe, cynical assholes were taking advantage of you.  No longer.  You've got that handled all by your onesies.  If they stopped, and moved on to the next grift...which they inevitably will, you wouldn't.

Ah, yes, I want and need government censorship to be true. I just love the stuff. You've got me all figured out, Nudge. I remember 15 or 20 years ago watching this whacky lady who was supposedly called an expert on conspiracy theorists, saying that 9/11 truthers believe what they do because they want it to be true. That they want to believe that everything is under control, and that nothing just happens by happenstance. That they want to believe that there is an order to the world. Are you getting your arguments from her, Nudge? No, 9/11 truthers do not want a one world cabal knocking down towers, anti-Semites do not yearn to be ruled over by a Jewish Cabal, and I myself do not want the government to be censoring social media online. And hey, if you'd like, we can go on pretending that free speech still exists, since I suppose it does on a technical level, since these companies are willingly working with government officials in the censorship, and since the government isn't locking people up for speech. Freedom of speech lives on. Nothing to worry about. Things are looking fine and dandy.

You want, as we all want, not to feel like a simpleton, not to be a loon, not to have been taken advantage of, not to have sunk whatever good will and credibility you ever had into garbage.

I see you keep talking.  Freely.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Ah, yes, I want and need government censorship to be true. I just love the stuff. You've got me all figured out, Nudge. I remember 15 or 20 years ago watching this whacky lady who was supposedly called an expert on conspiracy theorists, saying that 9/11 truthers believe what they do because they want it to be true. That they want to believe that everything is under control, and that nothing just happens by happenstance. That they want to believe that there is an order to the world. Are you getting your arguments from her, Nudge? No, 9/11 truthers do not want a one world cabal knocking down towers, anti-Semites do not yearn to be ruled over by a Jewish Cabal, and I myself do not want the government to be censoring social media online. And hey, if you'd like, we can go on pretending that free speech still exists, since I suppose it does on a technical level, since these companies are willingly working with government officials in the censorship, and since the government isn't locking people up for speech. Freedom of speech lives on. Nothing to worry about. Things are looking fine and dandy.

You want, as we all want, not to feel like a simpleton, not to be a loon, not to have been taken advantage of, not to have sunk whatever good will and credibility you ever had into garbage.

I see you keep talking.  Freely.

I took the red pill a long time ago, and once that veil is removed, there is no putting it back up. If people want to live under the illusion that government only has positive motives like the author of that blog post Helios presented to me, then they are free to live with their eyes shut, but I've seen too much. I know too much. You know all of those people online who say they were in Q Anon or a 9/11 truther and they got de-radicalized? Well, these are people that just went from one extreme to another. They went from thinking Cheney or Jews knocked down the towers and Hillary eats babies, to thinking government is to be trusted and no conspiracies ever exist. That's because these type of people, which you want me to become and you probably cheer on because they've repented for their ways, are severely flawed in their thinking, and are easily persuaded by bad arguments. They didn't come into the belief that Hillary eats babies based on evidence, just like they weren't de-radicalized based on evidence. They went from one form of stupid to another. That's not the sort of thing to be applauded, even though it is good overall that they are no longer a part of Q Anon or the 9/11 truthers or whatever. I will never be one of those de-radicalized people. I will remain a radicalized centrist, who has a little bit of common sense and knows that Hillary does not eat babies, but nor is she a good person without bad motives. The truth is usually always somewhere in the middle.

I'm in Canada. We've never had free speech and never will, and I don't care to partake in fantasies about a future utopia where we do have it. I accept things for how they are.

I'm typing somewhat freely here, sure, but if I posted that Intercept article in a different thread than a conspiracy theory thread, there's a good chance a certain mod would flip their lid and move it, as they did before when I posted completely legitimate news about FOIA act request releases, and many other things of that nature. Not that this has anything to do with what we were just talking about though, since this is a forum and they can do whatever they want. It's worse when Social Media companies do this, as people running those companies have said they believe in the spirit of free speech and want their platforms to represent those ideals, and then they go and censor things because government and police tell them to. It can be argued that these social media sites are basically the same as public utilities. And these social media companies attempt to alter the results of democratic elections. Again, with the Hunter Biden thing, the social media companies are now trying to save face publicly and have apologized for censoring the Hunter story and they say they regret it, and this did not end up costing Trump the election as it turns out since Biden won so big, but Social Media companies having the ability to possibly swing an election at the government or deep states behest should be seen as majorly problematic.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ah, yes, I want and need government censorship to be true. I just love the stuff. You've got me all figured out, Nudge. I remember 15 or 20 years ago watching this whacky lady who was supposedly called an expert on conspiracy theorists, saying that 9/11 truthers believe what they do because they want it to be true. That they want to believe that everything is under control, and that nothing just happens by happenstance. That they want to believe that there is an order to the world. Are you getting your arguments from her, Nudge? No, 9/11 truthers do not want a one world cabal knocking down towers, anti-Semites do not yearn to be ruled over by a Jewish Cabal, and I myself do not want the government to be censoring social media online. And hey, if you'd like, we can go on pretending that free speech still exists, since I suppose it does on a technical level, since these companies are willingly working with government officials in the censorship, and since the government isn't locking people up for speech. Freedom of speech lives on. Nothing to worry about. Things are looking fine and dandy.

You want, as we all want, not to feel like a simpleton, not to be a loon, not to have been taken advantage of, not to have sunk whatever good will and credibility you ever had into garbage.

I see you keep talking.  Freely.

Yup, when you invest time and energy, and credibility into the nonsense that nonsense becomes an investment to defend which in turn takes even more of the former to invest in the nonsense. It's a vicious cycle.

[The Grand Nudger]

All I want, is for people to stop swallowing white supremacist nonsense. It does seem just a bit worse when it's a canadian, obsessing over american drama, though. Like we're exporting and sponsoring terror, or somesuch. Social media companies are not public utilities, IA. Anything can be argued, but not everything can be argued competently. Moot point for we here in the states, though, since we mostly have private, not public, utilities, anyway. You wanna complain about a grand conspiracy with government puppets to help without going down the nutter hole..there you go, I just gave you a solid lead.

[arewethereyet]

You want, as we all want, not to feel like a simpleton, not to be a loon, not to have been taken advantage of, not to have sunk whatever good will and credibility you ever had into garbage.

I see you keep talking.  Freely.

I took the red pill a long time ago, and once that veil is removed, there is no putting it back up. If people want to live under the illusion that government only has positive motives like the author of that blog post Helios presented to me, then they are free to live with their eyes shut, but I've seen too much. I know too much. You know all of those people online who say they were in Q Anon or a 9/11 truther and they got de-radicalized? Well, these are people that just went from one extreme to another. They went from thinking Cheney or Jews knocked down the towers and Hillary eats babies, to thinking government is to be trusted and no conspiracies ever exist. That's because these type of people, which you want me to become and you probably cheer on because they've repented for their ways, are severely flawed in their thinking, and are easily persuaded by bad arguments. They didn't come into the belief that Hillary eats babies based on evidence, just like they weren't de-radicalized based on evidence. They went from one form of stupid to another. That's not the sort of thing to be applauded, even though it is good overall that they are no longer a part of Q Anon or the 9/11 truthers or whatever. I will never be one of those de-radicalized people. I will remain a radicalized centrist, who has a little bit of common sense and knows that Hillary does not eat babies, but nor is she a good person without bad motives. The truth is usually always somewhere in the middle.

I'm in Canada. We've never had free speech and never will, and I don't care to partake in fantasies about a future utopia where we do have it. I accept things for how they are.

I'm typing somewhat freely here, sure, but if I posted that Intercept article in a different thread than a conspiracy theory thread, there's a good chance a certain mod would flip their lid and move it, as they did before when I posted completely legitimate news about FOIA act request releases, and many other things of that nature. Not that this has anything to do with what we were just talking about though, since this is a forum and they can do whatever they want. It's worse when Social Media companies do this, as people running those companies have said they believe in the spirit of free speech and want their platforms to represent those ideals, and then they go and censor things because government and police tell them to. It can be argued that these social media sites are basically the same as public utilities. And these social media companies attempt to alter the results of democratic elections. Again, with the Hunter Biden thing, the social media companies are now trying to save face publicly and have apologized for censoring the Hunter story and they say they regret it, and this did not end up costing Trump the election as it turns out since Biden won so big, but Social Media companies having the ability to possibly swing an election at the government or deep states behest should be seen as majorly problematic.

We don't have mods here.  We have been over this before.  Simple concept that you can't seem to grasp.  Explains a lot.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I took the red pill a long time ago, and once that veil is removed, there is no putting it back up. If people want to live under the illusion that government only has positive motives like the author of that blog post Helios presented to me, then they are free to live with their eyes shut, but I've seen too much. I know too much. You know all of those people online who say they were in Q Anon or a 9/11 truther and they got de-radicalized? Well, these are people that just went from one extreme to another. They went from thinking Cheney or Jews knocked down the towers and Hillary eats babies, to thinking government is to be trusted and no conspiracies ever exist. That's because these type of people, which you want me to become and you probably cheer on because they've repented for their ways, are severely flawed in their thinking, and are easily persuaded by bad arguments. They didn't come into the belief that Hillary eats babies based on evidence, just like they weren't de-radicalized based on evidence. They went from one form of stupid to another. That's not the sort of thing to be applauded, even though it is good overall that they are no longer a part of Q Anon or the 9/11 truthers or whatever. I will never be one of those de-radicalized people. I will remain a radicalized centrist, who has a little bit of common sense and knows that Hillary does not eat babies, but nor is she a good person without bad motives. The truth is usually always somewhere in the middle.

I'm in Canada. We've never had free speech and never will, and I don't care to partake in fantasies about a future utopia where we do have it. I accept things for how they are.

I'm typing somewhat freely here, sure, but if I posted that Intercept article in a different thread than a conspiracy theory thread, there's a good chance a certain mod would flip their lid and move it, as they did before when I posted completely legitimate news about FOIA act request releases, and many other things of that nature. Not that this has anything to do with what we were just talking about though, since this is a forum and they can do whatever they want. It's worse when Social Media companies do this, as people running those companies have said they believe in the spirit of free speech and want their platforms to represent those ideals, and then they go and censor things because government and police tell them to. It can be argued that these social media sites are basically the same as public utilities. And these social media companies attempt to alter the results of democratic elections. Again, with the Hunter Biden thing, the social media companies are now trying to save face publicly and have apologized for censoring the Hunter story and they say they regret it, and this did not end up costing Trump the election as it turns out since Biden won so big, but Social Media companies having the ability to possibly swing an election at the government or deep states behest should be seen as majorly problematic.

We don't have mods here.  We have been over this before.  Simple concept that you can't seem to grasp.  Explains a lot.

Administrators are also moderators. Look up the definition of moderate. That's one of your job duties.

I wasn't really interested in moaning about forum censorship today, but Nudge brought it up so I responded. I apologize for bringing you up since I wasn't interested in discussing this today anyhow, and like I told Nudge, forum censorship and social media censorship are two different monsters. I'll get back on topic now.

[The Grand Nudger]

Won't be any kind of improvement. Have you come to terms with the reality of your latest trip into fantasyland yet? That nowhere in the supposed sources of that story can you find any of the content of that story? That, even if there is some vast conspiracy to shadow ban white supremacist nuts, you won't find it there? That simply assuming for absolute fact it's really happening the authors of that story -still- took you for a fucking ride?

Have you ever considered the truly sinister reality of the situation, in the assumption that any of this is happening? That the government is so good at supressing skinhead bullshit, that no one can find any evidence of it anywhere? Can't deliver the mail, but they've sure as hell got yalls number, huh? If you really believed this to your very core, and weren't trying to convince yourself, seems to me you'd be checking your closet and under your bed nightly, if not more often, even.

Is that your experience of life?

[Irreligious Atheist]

All I want, is for people to stop swallowing white supremacist nonsense.  It does seem just a bit worse when it's a canadian, obsessing over american drama, though.  Like we're exporting and sponsoring terror, or somesuch.  Social media companies are not public utilities, IA.  Anything can be argued, but not everything can be argued competently.  Moot point for we here in the states, though, since we mostly have private, not public, utilities, anyway.  You wanna complain about a grand conspiracy with government puppets to help without going down the nutter hole..there you go, I just gave you a solid lead.

When Canada makes laws based on what happens in the US (a recent example is banning handgun sales because of Uvalde), then yes, I will continue obsessing over the United States. Much of the time, what happens in the States greatly impacts the rest of the world. And you can't blame me for being obsessed with American drama, because American drama is just so darned entertaining. A lot of Canadians probably follow American media closer than they do their own.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and what happens in the states is..what, again? Cause it aint white supremacists being suppressed.....I take it , from your response, that's not actually your experience of life, and that there's still some part of you that comes here and drops these turds in an effort to convince yourself that you haven't lost your mind? You know, ping it by everyone else, wisdom of the crowd style, shout out my name and ask me what I think now....?

I've got really bad news for you....

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Equating ‘free speech’ with ‘speech without consequences’ is the conclusion of either white supremacists or online tough guys. No one with even a mildly diverse group of offline friends thinks that speech without consequences is realistic or reasonable.

Boru