Stupid things religious people say

[Sheldon]

Actually and I already stated what it means and it's fully backed by science

Okay; well, as you may have noticed there tends to be about 5 pages of response to two posts of mine - I cannot be assed to go back and find it, so go ahead and define what you mean by "fully human."

Human being

noun

a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

So not a microscopic clump of insentient cells then. 


It speaks volumes that you can't be bothered to learn basic word definitions. However nothing will convince me you didn't know you were lying, when said abortions involve killing children. I have seem to many anti-choicers use this sort of mendacious rhetoric, when a couple of seconds using Google could reveal the lie.

FYI, and as others have explained, even were it human, it still should not have the right to use the body of another human being, against their will. We don't grant that right to any human beings, why would we grant it to a blastocyst or a developing foetus?

[Sheldon]

Do the sins of the father justify the blood of the son?

Just as predicted 

A raped women should never be forced to carry her rapists  fetus .....period

Whilst I agree with the sentiment absolutely, I think this is a more complete truth.

[Sheldon]

So first I do want to say - I went back about 10 pages and didn't see, but we can chalk it up to me being lazy and so I'll take the defensive stance on if a zygote is or isn't a human.

Will the American College of Peditricians work as a source to confirm my position? Let's see a stance on that, quote...

"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization.  At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/w...ife-begins

So - my apologies again, but if you could define how they are not "human" that would be wonderful; and please use some citation other than I said so.

You said abortion involved killing children, are you saying the American College of Paediatricians thinks a blastocyst and a child are the same? If so I'd consider letting that crackpot Musk disband it.  

Either way I don't care, this long painful tap dance by you has zero relevance, unless you can explain why you think we should allow a blastocyst to use the body of the woman it is a part of, and topologically connected to, against her will, when we don't allow anyone to do this anywhere else, or to anyone else?

[Sheldon]

Nope it's simply a fact no woman should have to carry their rapists this isn't an issue of crime and punishment it's question of bodily autonomy she doesn't want to carry it full stop  and no one has the right to force her too

The women because she's carrying it and doesn't want to that's all that's required

"Simply a fact" is not an argument; the *reality* is that women *are* carrying their rapists children, hence the reason some opt for the choice of killing the child. 

The reality is that it is demonstrably not a child. Your relentless dishonesty in using such facile and emotive rhetoric, suggests your arguments are poorly reasoned. 

Facts:

1. We don't let anyone use the body of another against their will. 
2. Passing laws to tell women how, & when their bodies are used, takes away their bodily autonomy. 
3. Taking away someone's bodily autonomy is the definition of enslavement. 
4. Abortions involve a woman making a decision about what happens to her body.
5. Abortions in the vast majority of cases involve a blastocyst.
6. A blastocyst is a microscopic clutch of insentient cells.


Now for the subjective opinion, I don't care how you choose to define a blastocyst, as even if it were a 16 year old child, I still would not accept it had the right to use the body of anyone else against their will.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So first I do want to say - I went back about 10 pages and didn't see, but we can chalk it up to me being lazy and so I'll take the defensive stance on if a zygote is or isn't a human.

Will the American College of Peditricians work as a source to confirm my position? Let's see a stance on that, quote...

"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization.  At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/w...ife-begins

So - my apologies again, but if you could define how they are not "human" that would be wonderful; and please use some citation other than I said so.

No, the American College of Pediatricians does not qualify as a source - they are not a scientific organization or research body, but a conservative advocacy group that also promotes conversion therapy and abstinence-only sex education, and rails against LBGTQ+ rights and vaccines.

You can read more about this hate group here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American...iatricians

Boru

[Sheldon]

So first I do want to say - I went back about 10 pages and didn't see, but we can chalk it up to me being lazy and so I'll take the defensive stance on if a zygote is or isn't a human.

Will the American College of Peditricians work as a source to confirm my position? Let's see a stance on that, quote...

"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization.  At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/w...ife-begins

So - my apologies again, but if you could define how they are not "human" that would be wonderful; and please use some citation other than I said so.

No, the American College of Pediatricians does not qualify as a source - they are not a scientific organization or research body, but a conservative advocacy group that also promotes conversion therapy and abstinence-only sex education, and rails against LBGTQ+ rights and vaccines.

You can read more about this hate group here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American...iatricians

Boru

You have to see the irony, he can Google for sources that reflect his own closed minded position, but in his own words "can't be assed" to Google simple word definitions.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No, the American College of Pediatricians does not qualify as a source - they are not a scientific organization or research body, but a conservative advocacy group that also promotes conversion therapy and abstinence-only sex education, and rails against LBGTQ+ rights and vaccines.

You can read more about this hate group here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American...iatricians

Boru

You have to see the irony, he can Google for sources that reflect his own closed minded position, but in his own words "can't be assed" to Google simple word definitions.

Well, in Weasel’s defense, he is very, very stupid.

Boru

[Sheldon]

So first I do want to say - I went back about 10 pages and didn't see, but we can chalk it up to me being lazy and so I'll take the defensive stance on if a zygote is or isn't a human.

Will the American College of Peditricians work as a source to confirm my position?

Yes, but that doesn't make it any less absurd, as all you've done is Google for a source that supports your position, and they're not a scientific body as Boru has pointed out. 

"The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative advocacy group of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States, founded in 2002.[1][2] The group advocates in favor of abstinence-only sex education and conversion therapy, and advocates against vaccine mandates, abortion rights and rights for LGBT people."

So well done, you've found other religious bigots who espouse the same nonsense as you. Yet you can't find the time to read sound objections to your bullshit, or to learn what simple words or phrases mean, like human being, or blastocyst for example.

[arewethereyet]

Then explain why it's okay for a raped woman to carry a rape-caused pregnancy to term.

If I misunderstood you - explain it to me.

Define "okay" if I miss something...

Is it right she has to? No. Is it fair she has to? No. Is it a good thing she has to? No. Did she deserve it? No. Did she do something to provoke it? No. Do men have a "right" to her? No. Should a man decide for her? No. Should a woman decide for her? No. Should society decide for her? No. 



Do the sins of the father justify the blood of the son?

So, it's wrong that a woman has to carry a rapist's baby to term.  With all the above we can add that pregnancy and childbirth can be detrimental to a woman's health, perhaps even causing her death.  It would not be good for her mentally or emotionally.  She would have to figure out how to manage the financial aspects of pregnancy, childbirth, and possible if not probably loss of income.  But the rapist, who is often not caught, gets to go merrily on their way without consequence.

Your god ordered first borns to be killed.  But he is against allowing a woman to attempt to regain her life after being assaulted.

Sounds like a wonderful system to be so bought into.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Well, it was fun before you went back on broken record mode on the circular logic. See you in a few days when you reset.

Nothing I said was circular logic.