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Stupid things religious people say
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(September 10, 2026 at 10:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: William Lane Craig says that "it is an outrageous form of racism and species egoism to suggest that Jesus didn't die for the sins of Homo Heidelbergensis and Neanderthals."



Or a simple grasp of maths, unless is he suggesting this was a post ad hoc salvation, of a species that died out hundreds of thousands of years before the biblical myths are supposed to have occurred?
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(September 22, 2026 at 8:13 am)Sheldon Wrote:
(September 10, 2026 at 10:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: William Lane Craig says that "it is an outrageous form of racism and species egoism to suggest that Jesus didn't die for the sins of Homo Heidelbergensis and Neanderthals."



Or a simple grasp of maths, unless is he suggesting this was a post ad hoc salvation, of a species that died out hundreds of thousands of years before the biblical myths are supposed to have occurred?

Craig has long maintained the position that Jesus died for ALL humans and human lineages. He is nothing if not consistent. Stupidly wrong, but consistent.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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(September 22, 2026 at 12:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 22, 2026 at 8:13 am)Sheldon Wrote: Or a simple grasp of maths, unless is he suggesting this was a post ad hoc salvation, of a species that died out hundreds of thousands of years before the biblical myths are supposed to have occurred?

Craig has long maintained the position that Jesus died for ALL humans and human lineages. He is nothing if not consistent. Stupidly wrong, but consistent.

Boru
He has a PhD in philosophy as well, a blight on the reputation of the University of Birmingham they'll not soon shift.
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The reason why you don't believe in Brahma or Jesus or Zeus or Q'uq'umatz may be because you are going through menopause. You are mentally ill, and this needs to be properly researched through biblical verses.

Quote:Can the menopause trigger a crisis of faith?

A flurry of podcasts, articles and social media reels have highlighted the impact of this life stage on women’s physical and mental health. But what about its impact on their spiritual health?

It had never crossed my mind that the age-related drop in oestrogen, testosterone and progesterone in a woman’s body known as perimenopause could affect her faith.

Around a year ago, my joints started becoming so stiff that, on occasion, I hobbled across the room like a 90-year-old. I’m still in my 40s, but that wasn’t the only perimenopausal symptom I’d been struggling with: uncharacteristic low mood, brain fog and anxiety were turning me into a tearful mess.

HRT helped with some physical and mental symptoms, but at the same time as my emotions and body began to confuse the heck out of me, I hit a rocky patch in my walk with God that I couldn‘t explain. Nothing dramatic had happened to make me question the existence of the Lord I had loved all my life. Yet I found myself in a big – and scary – faith crisis. It was hugely unsettling, because I didn’t feel I could talk about it, even with some of those closest to me.

Gradually, my apparent loss of faith seemed more real to me than the strength of it. Comments which previously bounced off my armour now got through. I wondered: What if it’s all made up? What if the Bible is too good to be true? When I eventually divulged these fears to an incredible woman who has known me and prayed with me for years, she said that she had seen similar unprovoked doubts in those battling depression. She did not suggest I was depressed, but she made the link I had failed to see – that low mood and low hormone levels affect everything. Every strong tower can seem shaky when the chemical messages that keep your body and mind functioning stop getting through.

Jo Ibbott, author and menopause coach, supports women like Lisa [skipped that part] to understand their menopause experience. She is currently writing a series of biblical reflections to help women explore their faith through this life stage. “It’s been really interesting,” Jo says, “thinking about women feeling invisible, women feeling that loss of identity, and asking what the Bible contains that reassures us and speaks into this, because I don’t believe it’s God’s best that we get to perimenopause and then fall off a cliff.”

Jo also runs retreat days for women. So many people and organisations – especially the Church – depend on midlife women to keep going and keep giving out, says Jo. “This is something churches need to be aware of, from a pastoral point of view,” she says. “It’s mainly women who are volunteering within the Church, and it’s mainly women in midlife or a little bit older. If they’re struggling with mental health, confidence or feeling invisible, all those sorts of horrible, insidious feelings start to creep in, and the Church could be losing valuable people.” Some churches and denominations are starting to tackle this, she says, but on the whole, it does not yet recognise women who are struggling with the menopause, and support and value them sufficiently.

Rev Karen Markiewicz looked at the spiritual impact of menopause on women’s faith journeys as part of her master’s degree. Now, she’s writing a book that shares twelve women’s stories. Like Lisa, Karen also had to seek perimenopausal treatment during the pandemic.

Throughout this season, Karen remembers repeatedly asking God: “Where are you?” It felt, she says: “like a spiritual fog”.

“It was as though my prayer life, the way that I engaged my faith, just wasn’t resonating anymore,” she says. The Church, she says, doesn’t really talk about this aspect of midlife for women. “But I think we should. If there are women that want that space, it should be provided.”

https://www.premierchristianity.com/feat...35.article
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Another Christian Taliban:

Pastor Brian Sauvé says women should not have access to social media unless "some competent man is curating and blocking and directing and taking a look at what's going on."

If you think women should be able to vote, have jobs, live alone, or have unsupervised access to one another, that is because "you have normalcy bias for insane world": "You're living in an insane asylum and you think it's the normal world."



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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^Mathhew 7:3-5

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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It's over, guys.

Quote:‘Time Is Running Out’: Philip Anthony Mitchell Warns Christians to Prepare for Christ’s Return

Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell issued an urgent warning to Christians, declaring that humanity is moving closer to the return of Jesus Christ with every passing day.

“The person that they reject now will become their ultimate judge,” Mitchell told Josh Howerton during a recent interview.

He described several global developments as warning signs, including the rise of Islam, the decline of cash, discussions surrounding a common currency, international alliances and identity-chip technology that could potentially regulate commerce.

Mitchell compared these developments to leaves falling from trees before a brutal New York winter.

“When I look at the news in the United States, and when I look at the global headlines, to me, these are like leaves falling off the tree,” he said. “The winter is coming.”

Mitchell compared the present age to the days of Noah. People continued with their daily lives and mocked Noah’s warnings until the ark door closed and the rain began. By then, it was too late.

“People will scorn and they will mock until the snow start falling and they’re not prepared,” Mitchell said.

https://mycharisma.com/spiritled-living/...ts-return/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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^I prefer to be judged by St. Eligius.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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For the gazillionth time, "New Atheism" is declared dead by ID idiot Stephen Meyer

And the only thing he has are lies and arguments that have been rebutted over and over again.

Mind you that this is an article from the Telegraph—and in the “News” section no less. Link

Quote:Science is proving Richard Dawkins and the New Atheists wrong

Twenty years ago, Richard Dawkins published his international best-seller The God Delusion, thus establishing “New Atheism” as a major cultural force. Over the ensuing decade, other authors – such as Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss and Daniel Dennett – seized the popular imagination with their respective arguments about why belief in the divine is untenable.

The physicists among them argued that the universe could be explained “from nothing”. The biologists argued that Darwinian explanations of “apparent design” in living organisms make appeals to an actual designing intelligence unnecessary. Thus, Dawkins concluded: “God almost certainly does not exist.”

But now, two decades on, the influence of the New Atheists has waned. Former adherents, most notably Ayaan Hirsi Ali, have repudiated atheism entirely and embraced the Christian faith. Others, such as Alex O’Connor, the hugely popular atheist YouTuber and Steven Bartlett, the businessman turned podcaster, have moderated their outlooks too. Ironically, even Dawkins admitted in 2024 he feels “at home” in the Christian “ethos” – though he still firmly rejects the existence of God.

As many atheist philosophers (such as the eminent John Gray) have noted, the New Atheists’ philosophical arguments were never very good. Moreover, their arguments seemed strangely anachronistic following many of the great scientific discoveries of the 20th century.

Well, two atheists who have either become more moderate or become Christian don’t prove that the influence of New Atheists has waned. In fact, it you lump together atheists, agnostics, and “nones,” you see a rise from about 13% to 35%—nearly a threefold increase—between 2000 and 2020. And the “philosophical arguments” for atheism amount largely to the philosophical arguments for the Loch Ness Monster: hypothesis of huge, powerful being erected, evidence for said being not adduced, hypothesis rejected.

Quote:Consider first modern cosmology. Cosmologists have discovered that the universe, contrary to the expectations of those who long portrayed it as eternal, probably had a beginning. Multiple lines of evidence from observational astronomy support this conclusion. Developments in theoretical physics (such as the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem, which states that any universe that is expanding – as ours is – cannot be infinite in the past), also back it up.

Nobel laureate Arno Penzias, who helped make a key discovery supporting the Big Bang theory, noted the obvious connection between its affirmation of a cosmic beginning and the concept of divine creation. “The best data we have are exactly what I would have predicted, had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses…[and] the Bible as a whole,” he wrote in 1978.

Argument from personal incredulity. He doesn't know that the Big Bang is not when the universe was "created." What has been known to be not true for some 40+ years, is the notion that the Big Bang is the beginning of space, time, energy, the laws of physics, and everything that we know and experience. The Big Bang wasn’t the beginning but was rather preceded by a completely different state known as cosmic inflation.

And of course even if you think a divine being created the Universe, that doesn’t mean it was the Christian or Abrahamic God. It could have been Brahma or Zeus, or a giant, omnipotent squid.

Then the fine-tuning argument

Quote:Second, physicists have discovered that we live in a kind of “Goldilocks universe”. In other words, the fundamental laws and parameters of physics are finely tuned against all odds to make a life-friendly universe. Even slight alterations of many independent factors – such as the strength of gravitational and electromagnetic attraction, the masses of elementary particles, or the initial arrangement of matter and energy in the universe – would render life impossible.

There are many problems with the so-called fine tuning argument, but my favorite is that if it was fine tuned, why did it take the universe 13 billion years to create us—the Pinnacle of creation?

Another problem is that scientists can’t experiment and create new universes to test hypotheses. Nor can they directly observe any fine-tuning or any supernatural being because any claim of fine-tuning is totally based on inference, not direct observation. We just have to go with what we can infer from what we can observe. What observational data do we have? All we have is just one instance of a universe (ours) and just one instance of a planet with life, earth.

Quote:Third, discoveries in molecular biology have revealed digital code in even the simplest living cells. Francis Crick and James Watson elucidated the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. Crick then developed his famed “sequence hypothesis”. He proposed that chemical constituents in DNA function like letters in a written language, or digital symbols in computer code.

Again, he is just being dumb and thinks that DNA is the same as the computer code.

His argument for God and the fall of atheism is again that he doesn't know science.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Robert thinks an agonizing death is awesome.

Quote:Pope blasts assisted dying as ‘false compassion’

Pope Leo XIV on Sunday condemned the legalization of medically assisted death as immoral “false compassion,” reaffirming Catholic teaching on the sanctity of life during a visit to Lourdes, the French shrine associated with miraculous healings.

On the third day of his visit to France, Leo again waded into the end-of-life debate unfolding in his native U.S. and countries around the world. The issue roiled French politics for years before lawmakers recently approved legislation allowing adults with incurable illnesses to receive lethal medication.

He sought to encourage especially those who live in “terrible pain” that they have inherent dignity that no law or algorithm can “eliminate.”

“On the contrary, it is precisely in the name of this inalienable dignity of the human person that we must reject the temptation to cause death under the guise of false compassion,” he said. “What is legal is not necessarily moral,” Leo said to applause from the crowd.

Catholic teaching holds that all human life must be protected and defended from conception until natural death, leading to its firm opposition to abortion, euthanasia and medically assisted dying.

Leo had specifically criticized a medical-aid-in-dying law that took effect in Sept. 12 in his home state of Illinois — the 13th U.S. state with such a law.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/27...s-01094549
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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