Stupid things religious people say

[The Architect Of Fate]

@Rev. Rye  My initial refutation Rev, was that he's Canadian, not Russian. It was a simple grammatical half poke. Then I refuted his alleged Russian apologetics, because in the video he condemned Putin specifically and the focus was on how the West (him included) could be making things worse instead of better by provoking a dictator.

You didn't refute Rye Rye in the slightest and he did apologize for Russia and his Criticism of Putin was two-faced. So no you refuted nothing  

[The Architect Of Fate]

For the sake of putting the damn nail in this coffin, Sure let's assume for argument's sake his apologetics is pro-Russia. It still does not make him a Russian apologist it makes him a Canadian apologist for Russia or an Apologist for Russia. 

Same shit different pile. So your going to need more nails 

[The Architect Of Fate]

So let's sum up shall we 

1. Criticizing communism means nothing 

2. His "criticisms " of Putin were two-faced

3. The west didn't "fan" anything because Putin always intended to invade Ukraine 

4.tackattack has totally failed to refute anything in this thread

[The Architect Of Fate]

If you looked at the original context for the bait clip  "We are all pretending here in the west.." most clearly answers your number 4. For number 5 it was just one example of how his body of work has been historically, anti-communist, anti-marxist, etc... and in this particular video (which is the only relevant one) specifically anti-Putin.

Anti-Putin? If you look at the whole video you will see that Peterson begins the vid by saying that Putin’s actions are “unconscionable” but then he goes on to say that his invasion of Ukraine was an (arguably? probably?) righteous crusade against western degeneracy and that they are justified in doing so.

To explain why Russia is attacking Ukraine, he goes on a long diatribe about Ketanji Brown Jackson. He complains about Biden looking for a black woman and that she wouldn't answer the question "what is a woman." In fact, wanting to nominate a woman while denying women exist "violates the principle of noncontradiction" proving that we have become logically and societally degenerate.

He thinks that therefore, we don't have the moral high ground against russia, because we are degenerate. And he says the Russians think they have a duty to fight off this degeneracy, and they're right!

https://youtu.be/JxdHm2dmvKE

In the mind of Jordan Peterson, a self-identity or a social construct somehow doesn't exist.

[Rev. Rye]

I haven't had time to watch all 51 minutes, but, from what I've been able to see from his big video on the subject, it's less Pro-Putin and more Anti-Ukrainian. 

My thoughts while watching the video (double speed, FWIW):

• I'm currently 11 minutes in (played at double speed FWIW), and I'm hearing more criticism of Zelinsky (and the morality of the West) than of Putin.
  
•  20 minutes in, I'm seeing more focus on the nomination of Justice Jackson (apparently for being an affirmative action candidate who couldn't define the word woman to his satisfaction). Despite the fact that he's failing to actually make the case that the potential nomination (she wouldn't even be confirmed until the day after tanks rolled into Ukraine) has anything to do with it, he keeps fucking going. And say what you will about the transphobia in his video on Twitter, it was at least relevant to the subject at hand.
  
• By the time he gets back to Russia, he's talking about how her neighbours are falling into authoritarianism and somehow manages to treat Putin as an ALTERNATIVE to that. Because of course it's the left's ideas that are authoritarian and not Putin's. Fun fact, while I was looking for a Cliff's Notes version of his comments on Russia, I found this Reddit post by a Russian (who's lived with the Putin regime since he was two) responding to his comments on Russia, about Putin's authoritarianism.
  
• Bizarrely, he takes aim near the end at COVID restrictions asking when the last time people talked with him face-to-face and not via Zoom. I'd advise Jordy to google "Vladimir Putin Table." 
  
• Also very strange, his preferred solution to the crisis sounds almost exactly wrong-headed. I forget where I read it, but I remember reading that the reason it took almost 70 years between the Communist Manifesto and Russia being the first nation to go full Communist is because, well, most of the other developed nations ended up taking the saner bits of Marx' thought and incorporated them into the pre-existing system. Once the main parties decided to push things like basic labour reforms that we tend to take for granted, there was no room for the Communist Parties to grow. All that was left for them was the stranger shit that typified the Soviet system and alienated the West. Nations like Russia dug in their heels and resisted reform, so all that was left was Revolution. This is an oversimplified theory, to be sure, but I think it's at least enough to throw his big thesis into question.
  

TL;DR: Jordy-Boy's take on the war is less explicitly pro-Putin and more anti-Western/anti-Ukrainian.

 Perhaps if, instead of bitching about Ketanji Brown Jackson and her failure to define "woman" in a way he wanted, he'd actually gone into more detail about the shit Putin actually claimed sparked the war. He mentions that some people think Putin is like Hitler, but he just dismisses the hypothesis; maybe if he went into detail about how he wrote a fucking essay about how Russia and Ukraine have historically been the same nation and that the independent government in Kyiv is therefore illegitimate and forced his entire military to read it. And the fact that he goes as far as claiming that Russia has the moral high ground here makes it really fucking hard to argue that he's not a Putin sympathiser. Maybe if he just left his reasons that the war will keep dragging on more practical (the fact that Putin's simultaneously this fucking brazen and has enough nukes to make the whole fucking world into a Threads LARP is an admittedly damn good reason), his arguments would be more defensible. But what we have here basically comes down to Crypto-Putinism.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I haven't had time to watch all 51 minutes, but, from what I've been able to see from his big video on the subject, it's less Pro-Putin and more Anti-Ukrainian. 

My thoughts while watching the video (double speed, FWIW):

• I'm currently 11 minutes in (played at double speed FWIW), and I'm hearing more criticism of Zelinsky (and the morality of the West) than of Putin.
  
•  20 minutes in, I'm seeing more focus on the nomination of Justice Jackson (apparently for being an affirmative action candidate who couldn't define the word woman to his satisfaction). Despite the fact that he's failing to actually make the case that the potential nomination (she wouldn't even be confirmed until the day after tanks rolled into Ukraine) has anything to do with it, he keeps fucking going. And say what you will about the transphobia in his video on Twitter, it was at least relevant to the subject at hand.
  
• By the time he gets back to Russia, he's talking about how her neighbours are falling into authoritarianism and somehow manages to treat Putin as an ALTERNATIVE to that. Because of course it's the left's ideas that are authoritarian and not Putin's. Fun fact, while I was looking for a Cliff's Notes version of his comments on Russia, I found this Reddit post by a Russian (who's lived with the Putin regime since he was two) responding to his comments on Russia, about Putin's authoritarianism.
  
• Bizarrely, he takes aim near the end at COVID restrictions asking when the last time people talked with him face-to-face and not via Zoom. I'd advise Jordy to google "Vladimir Putin Table." 
  
• Also very strange, his preferred solution to the crisis sounds almost exactly wrong-headed. I forget where I read it, but I remember reading that the reason it took almost 70 years between the Communist Manifesto and Russia being the first nation to go full Communist is because, well, most of the other developed nations ended up taking the saner bits of Marx' thought and incorporated them into the pre-existing system. Once the main parties decided to push things like basic labour reforms that we tend to take for granted, there was no room for the Communist Parties to grow. All that was left for them was the stranger shit that typified the Soviet system and alienated the West. Nations like Russia dug in their heels and resisted reform, so all that was left was Revolution. This is an oversimplified theory, to be sure, but I think it's at least enough to throw his big thesis into question.
  

TL;DR: Jordy-Boy's take on the war is less explicitly pro-Putin and more anti-Western/anti-Ukrainian.

 Perhaps if, instead of bitching about Ketanji Brown Jackson and her failure to define "woman" in a way he wanted, he'd actually gone into more detail about the shit Putin actually claimed sparked the war. He mentions that some people think Putin is like Hitler, but he just dismisses the hypothesis; maybe if he went into detail about how he wrote a fucking essay about how Russia and Ukraine have historically been the same nation and that the independent government in Kyiv is therefore illegitimate and forced his entire military to read it. And the fact that he goes as far as claiming that Russia has the moral high ground here makes it really fucking hard to argue that he's not a Putin sympathiser. Maybe if he just left his reasons that the war will keep dragging on more practical (the fact that Putin's simultaneously this fucking brazen and has enough nukes to make the whole fucking world into a Threads LARP is an admittedly damn good reason), his arguments would be more defensible. But what we have here basically comes down to Crypto-Putinism.

Considering the Soviet Union was never even close to being Communist nor even going in the direction of Communism. It's just more proof JP has no clue what he's talking about.

[Rev. Rye]

Well, at least they claimed they were. Never mind that Marx’ ideology hinged on the society in question being alone where the Industrial Revolution was a thing and that, if I can recall accurately, he even outright stated at one point that trying to implement Communism in a nation that hadn’t gone through an industrial revolution would be a disaster.

[Fake Messiah]

Catholic Priest, Fr. Evaristus Bassey, shares photos of "Virgin Mary" that appeared at the St. Charles Lwanga in Calabar, Cross Rivers state Nigeria



On Wednesday 22-6-2022 the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared in one of our parishes in Calabar, St. Charles Lwanga. It was something more than 100 people witnessed,even a Protestant pastor who came to visit his cousin, the assistant priest.

He took these pictures. The rays around her were too bright for a clear picture. She moved up to the Shrine dedicated to her and then was taken up. It was amazing, the entire aura around the parish, that evening. She didn't say anything to anyone. But I think she came to assure of God's presence with us.

Even the rays of light on the premises showed there was something happening. May the prayers of our Blessed Mother help our country Nigeria. Amen."

https://www.kossyderrickent.com/2022/07/...assey.html

[Fake Messiah]

People seem to find Jordan Peterson condescending towards Muslims in his new stint where he is telling them to find a pen pal in people of other religions including Shia and Sunnis - condescending because it seems that Peterson thinks that Muslims are too stupid to think of this for themselves.

He is also telling Muslims to stop hating Christians and Jews.

https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/jord...shia-sunni

[The Grand Nudger]

They'll stop hating each other when their religions stop calling the validity of each others religions into question. Just this side of never.

Apocalyptic people in possession of apocalyptic weapons all laboring under an unresolvable religious dilemma.