Stupid things religious people say

[Fake Messiah]

"The Devil Came": How Our Lady Saved Fr. Donald Calloway From a Demon in His Room

Father Donald Calloway, MIC, is a well-known American priest and promoter of devotion to Saint Joseph.

But something happened to him that terrified him to the point that, 20 years later, he prays that it does not happen again.

“A creature appeared in my room and started to manifest itself–like literally taken on a physical form. I was so terrified that I couldn’t even move. If anyone has ever had sleep paralysis, it’s a terrifying experience magnified by a trillion.

But this was a living creature that wanted me,” Father Calloway explains.

“I was so terrified, I had to close my eyes. I was absolutely petrified. I couldn’t do anything,” he said, adding that he once used a Ouija board.

“I think the devil thought that I belonged to him,” he said.

According to his account, he did the only thing he knew to do: “From my soul, I cried, not audibly, but in my soul: ‘Mary!’

“And do you know what happened? Annihilated. The demon was completely obliterated. And I experienced the most amazing peace that I have not experienced to this day, and probably will not this side of eternity.”

But his mystical experience did not end there.

Suddenly, in his soul, he heard “the most pure, feminine, motherly voice” say, “‘Donnie, I am so happy.'”

“Nobody calls me Donnie but my mom. Nobody,” he said. “It was the mother of Jesus Christ telling me that she was also my mother…the devil could not touch me, because I was in the arms of Mary.”

https://www.churchpop.com/the-devil-came...-his-room/

[brewer]

[no one]

Got to love Betty.

[Fake Messiah]

Christians trying to figure out atheism

What these more earnest New Atheists didn’t understand is that New Atheism means sex, not atheism. The well-trod arguments against God’s existence were not the animating force of the movement; they couldn’t be, because the leaders of the movement barely understood and didn’t bother to articulate those arguments. The movement was about liberating oneself from the burden of moral responsibility. It was about giving permission to college students to sleep around as much as they wanted, without a guilty conscience, because God was an invented trick by parents, like Santa Claus, to keep us from being naughty.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusiv...-christian

There you go. They figured out our weekly orgies sessions. And also college students didn't have sex before the dreaded New Atheism began.

But like I said before, uninformed theists (like the author of the article above) project into atheism what they themselves want to do but feel unable. Thus horny theists think that atheism is all about sex, angry theists think it's about murdering and "getting away with it", poor theists think atheism is about stealing stuff, etc.

[zebo-the-fat]

Ok, I'm just off to do a few rape-murder-robberies then back in time for the orgy!

[Ferrocyanide]

Christians trying to figure out atheism

What these more earnest New Atheists didn’t understand is that New Atheism means sex, not atheism. The well-trod arguments against God’s existence were not the animating force of the movement; they couldn’t be, because the leaders of the movement barely understood and didn’t bother to articulate those arguments. The movement was about liberating oneself from the burden of moral responsibility. It was about giving permission to college students to sleep around as much as they wanted, without a guilty conscience, because God was an invented trick by parents, like Santa Claus, to keep us from being naughty.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusiv...-christian

There you go. They figured out our weekly orgies sessions. And also college students didn't have sex before the dreaded New Atheism began.

But like I said before, uninformed theists (like the author of the article above) project into atheism what they themselves want to do but feel unable. Thus horny theists think that atheism is all about sex, angry theists think it's about murdering and "getting away with it", poor theists think atheism is about stealing stuff, etc.

I think a couple of callers on the Atheist Experience have said that. A few have said it to me via chat.
They have said that atheists secretly believe that the jewish god is real but since they want to sin, atheists claim that he doesn't exist.

My counter argument-nonsense-crapola was:
"I believe that you don't believe in the jewish god and that you want to continually commit crime and that you want to put on a facade that you are a good guy so that they release you from prison early."



In other news:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/indonesia-...-1.6675595

Indonesia's parliament passes law criminalizing sex outside marriage

Indonesia's parliament passed a long-awaited and controversial revision of its penal code on Tuesday that criminalizes extramarital sex for citizens and visiting foreigners alike.




Under the new code, the death penalty will be imposed alternatively with a probationary period. This means a judge cannot immediately impose a death sentence. If within a period of 10 years the convict behaves well, then the death penalty is changed to life imprisonment or 20 years' imprisonment.

The code also expands the existing Blasphemy Law and maintains a five-year prison term for deviations from the central tenets of Indonesia's six recognized religions: Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism. Citizens could face a 10-year sentence under the bill for associating with organizations that follow Marxist-Leninist ideology and a four-year sentence for spreading communism.

[Fake Messiah]

I think a couple of callers on the Atheist Experience have said that. A few have said it to me via chat.
They have said that atheists secretly believe that the jewish god is real but since they want to sin, atheists claim that he doesn't exist.

My counter argument-nonsense-crapola was:
"I believe that you don't believe in the jewish god and that you want to continually commit crime and that you want to put on a facade that you are a good guy so that they release you from prison early."

Ha, this reminded me a few years ago I got into some conversation online with a Catholic who claimed that atheists are hypocrites who don't want to admit they believe in god because if they didn’t, they would be killing and raping people.

But let's talk about this supposed wonderful Christian sexual morality before the so called "new atheism", and even before the dreaded "sexual revolution" that destroyed the morality of the western society.

Let's go to the 17th century in England, London. The status of poorer women was so low that the only business they could have was usually as a house maid. They would work in a household were they were nothing more than property, and were subjected to daily abuses, and sexual exploitation. One such example was Elizabeth Balleans who, in 1609, left her parents home to work in such household, and in the same year she got impregnated by the master of the house. And, following the established convention, she was fired and turned out to the streets.

Such women were not only an inconvenience, but potentially a source of great scandal; henceforth she was shamed as a "bastard bearer", and a "whore". Women such as Elizabeth were despised creatures who existed outside the accepted models of womanhood: not a maid, a married mother nor a widow.

So they had to beg for money or were forced to rely upon the charity of the local parish, but such aid came at a high price. There was a law which decreed that all mothers of bastard children supported by the parish were to be imprisoned in the house of correction for one year. Other punishments for unmarried pregnant women and mothers included ritual acts of public humiliation and corporal punishment. They were dressed in white sheets and made to stand in church before the whole congregation, holding a candle or other sign proclaiming their sin.

Elizabeth remained became known because she gave birth to a dead child, and when she wanted to get it baptized, she was accused of infant murder.

And this is the wonderful and functional Christian world of "morality" before the New Atheism and before the sexual revolution. Despicable.

[no one]

chritiboi logic is anything but. The insanely illogical incredibly insipid idiotic drivel that spews from their blatherhole is rather telling of their complete misunderstanding of just about everything.

[Ferrocyanide]

Ha, this reminded me a few years ago I got into some conversation online with a Catholic who claimed that atheists are hypocrites who don't want to admit they believe in god because if they didn’t, they would be killing and raping people.

Well, killing, raping, killing babies, throwing babies onto rocks, genocide, slavery and such is in the Bible. The jews did that sort of thing because Jesus wanted it that way.
Even when Jesus came in human form according to the NT, he never said anything against those actions that were in the tanakh, so we have to assume that such behavior is moral.

Ha, this reminded me a few years ago I got into some conversation online with a Catholic who claimed that atheists are hypocrites who don't want to admit they believe in god because if they didn’t, they would be killing and raping people.

But let's talk about this supposed wonderful Christian sexual morality before the so called "new atheism", and even before the dreaded "sexual revolution" that destroyed the morality of the western society.

Let's go to the 17th century in England, London. The status of poorer women was so low that the only business they could have was usually as a house maid. They would work in a household were they were nothing more than property, and were subjected to daily abuses, and sexual exploitation. One such example was Elizabeth Balleans who, in 1609, left her parents home to work in such household, and in the same year she got impregnated by the master of the house. And, following the established convention, she was fired and turned out to the streets.

Such women were not only an inconvenience, but potentially a source of great scandal; henceforth she was shamed as a "bastard bearer", and a "whore". Women such as Elizabeth were despised creatures who existed outside the accepted models of womanhood: not a maid, a married mother nor a widow.

So they had to beg for money or were forced to rely upon the charity of the local parish, but such aid came at a high price. There was a law which decreed that all mothers of bastard children supported by the parish were to be imprisoned in the house of correction for one year. Other punishments for unmarried pregnant women and mothers included ritual acts of public humiliation and corporal punishment. They were dressed in white sheets and made to stand in church before the whole congregation, holding a candle or other sign proclaiming their sin.

Elizabeth remained became known because she gave birth to a dead child, and when she wanted to get it baptized, she was accused of infant murder.

And this is the wonderful and functional Christian world of "morality" before the New Atheism and before the sexual revolution. Despicable.

I find that kind of behavior strange. Aren't the people suppose to find out who got her pregnant and dish out some punishment?
Maybe they view the woman as an enabler of immorality and not as a victim.

Maybe the people from the past lacked imagination? They lacked empathy? Maybe they could not sense pain unless if it happened to them? They did not have the notion of walking a mile in someone else's shoes?

There is the spanish inquisition, hanging people, burning people for being a witch, cutting people's heads off.

Christianity didn't improve anything for europeans.

I think europeans got lucky. They had the various bits of technology to make glassware, to make chemicals. As science developed (~17xx), they started to put more importance on logic, discovery, philosophy and along with that, there was social change.
Or maybe it is the renaissance period that put europeans on that path.

I'm not exactly sure how europeans got out of the theocratic mess. It was only 100 y ago, in 1925, in Tennessee that the Scopes Monkey trial took place. John Scopes mentioned Evolution theory in a high school biology class. He was in deep trouble. I'm surprised they didn't burn him alive.

[Fake Messiah]

Imagine being expelled from school for praying to a wrong god--well you don't have to. It still happens in the good ol USA



The way the school saw it, it was devil worship.

In October 2019, three teenage girls were punished for participating in a spiritual ceremony. Their Arizona school expelled two of them, and let the third off with a warning, citing their attendance as a violation of school policy and grounds for expulsion.

Caitlyn, now 18, says she and her friends were disciplined for participating in a Sunrise Dance, a traditional Native ceremony at the core of White Mountain Apache culture.

The Monday after the dance, Caitlyn’s parents told her to stay home that day. They had received a call from East Fork Lutheran school telling them not to send their daughter in. She didn’t know why. Then around noon, her mom got another phone call. The principal wanted to meet with Caitlyn, her parents and the local preacher. The principal and preacher also invited the two other girls and their families to their own private meetings with school leadership.

At the start of each meeting, the families were chastised for participating in the dance. Caitlyn remembers her mother telling the principal and preacher how hypocritical they were to say the Apache people were not praying to God. “In the Bible, God himself says to come to me in all sorts,” she argued. “The dance is also a prayer; it’s another way.”

The leadership of the school, on the Fort Apache Reservation, disagreed with that interpretation and used pictures of the event posted on Facebook as evidence for their expulsions.

The other two girls were immediately given letters of expulsion. Caitlyn was just given a warning.

The school is not unique in its dogma opposing traditional Indigenous practices; the vast majority of the churches on Apache land teach families who participate in traditional ceremonies that they’re damning themselves by worshiping the devil. The Whiteriver Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church, stated in its missionary handbook that Crown Dancers – those who help welcome the girl into womanhood during the Sunrise Dance – could be a “demonic manifestation”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i...eservation