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The United States and the growing divide
#31
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 4:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 2:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of people didn't take Hitler seriously when he first started making noise. In fact Hitler got arrested and spent time in jail for his actions. That was when he wrote Mein Kampf. At that point of German history Germany was still a western democracy. 

Never say never. 

But do you really want the country to be split to to different borders? I'd feel like a South Korean if the former guy became president of Texas if it became it's own separate right wing country.

It isn't a matter of "ideology". You are right, things do change over time. But if I had my choice of having a friendly neighbor who isn't a fucking dick, vs having a neighbor who you can get along with, I'd take the latter. 

I doubt you'd make this same argument if you were a slave living in the Civil War South. General Lee was not just a traitor on political lines or economic lines, he fought to keep slavery. 

Yes we do have divisions, but right now, at this point in history, only one party is fanning the flames of those divisions, and that party hates not only gay marriage, and female body autonomy, and wants its own theocracy, our GOP hates atheists too.

Hitler, Schmitler.

Boru

Yes because all he wanted to do was make his country great again.

And General Lee only wanted to preserve his heritage too.
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#32
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 4:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 2:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of people didn't take Hitler seriously when he first started making noise. In fact Hitler got arrested and spent time in jail for his actions. That was when he wrote Mein Kampf. At that point of German history Germany was still a western democracy. 

Never say never. 

But do you really want the country to be split to to different borders? I'd feel like a South Korean if the former guy became president of Texas if it became it's own separate right wing country.

It isn't a matter of "ideology". You are right, things do change over time. But if I had my choice of having a friendly neighbor who isn't a fucking dick, vs having a neighbor who you can get along with, I'd take the latter. 

I doubt you'd make this same argument if you were a slave living in the Civil War South. General Lee was not just a traitor on political lines or economic lines, he fought to keep slavery. 

Yes we do have divisions, but right now, at this point in history, only one party is fanning the flames of those divisions, and that party hates not only gay marriage, and female body autonomy, and wants its own theocracy, our GOP hates atheists too.

Hitler, Schmitler.

Boru

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#33
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 4:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 4:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Hitler, Schmitler.

Boru

Yes because all he wanted to do was make his country great again.

And General Lee only wanted to preserve his heritage too.

It’s not about Hitler. It’s about you constantly dragging Hitler into conversations that have nothing to do with Hitler.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#34
RE: The United States and the growing divide
After everyone is done vilifying "the other side", perhaps it is worth considering something I believe to be true which is this: 50% of the Americans cannot be 100% wrong. This thread certainly helps me learn about alternative opinions that I are generally unfamiliar to me.

IMHO everything is broken...kinda feels like the seventies, again. Meaning, as far as I'm concerned, we survived the 1970's, we can survive the 2020's.
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#35
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 1:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Am I only one who's optimistic about America's future? I think this country is evolving from something of a philosophical anarchy, into an actual, real society.

And, presumably, how many Days of Retribution do you think it will take before that happens?
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#36
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 3:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 3:01 pm)Spongebob Wrote: How do you suppose this makes any difference?  If one side is fanning the flames, the other side is opposing them and therein lies the division.

That is like arguing flat earthers have a right to insist everyone be taught the earth is flat.

At this point in history, the left gets facts right thousands of times more than the right does.

The right insists that climate change is a hoax. The right claims the election was stolen. Those two things alone are a threat to facts. 

It does make a difference. There was a time in American history where women couldn't vote and blacks had to sit at the back of the bus. Only one party today is attempting to turn back the clock on progress.

I get that Republicans are the nutjobs, but when you say:


Quote:Brian37 Wrote:  [url=https://atheistforums.org/post-2061797.html#pid2061797][/url]Yes we do have divisions, but right now, at this point in history, only one party is fanning the flames of those divisions, and that party hates not only gay marriage, and female body autonomy, and wants its own theocracy, our GOP hates atheists too.

How does that support the idea that such divisions will lead to the breakup of the US as compared to the past?  I'm assuming that's the point you were trying to make.  If not then I don't get your point.


Quote:That is like arguing flat earthers have a right to insist everyone be taught the earth is flat.

No, this doesn't relate to anything I said.  You must have misunderstood.
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#37
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 1:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Am I only one who's optimistic about America's future? I think this country is evolving from something of a philosophical anarchy, into an actual, real society.

And, presumably, how many Days of Retribution do you think it will take before that happens?
What does that have to do with anything?
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#38
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Helios Wrote: I'm sorry when has the US ever not been divided?

The divide is far more severe now than it's been in at least recent history. 

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2...larization
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#39
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 6:47 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Helios Wrote: I'm sorry when has the US ever not been divided?

The divide is far more severe now than it's been in at least recent history. 

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2...larization
Really more divided than when you were killing each other in mass?
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#40
RE: The United States and the growing divide
(September 14, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Helios Wrote:
(September 14, 2021 at 6:47 pm)Mermaid Wrote: The divide is far more severe now than it's been in at least recent history. 

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2...larization
Really more divided than when you were killing each other in mass?

When did THAT happen??

Boru
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