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The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
#21
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 19, 2021 at 2:06 pm)Ahriman Wrote: It's an allegory, has nothing to do with real life, was never intended to be taken literally.

Even the philosopher, John Locke, in his "Essay Concerning Human Understanding," took the story of The Deluge literally.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#22
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
If I can twist the words to forge with reality, then god dun didit. If I cannot, then it will never meant to be taken literally.

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#23
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?
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#24
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 8:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Let' s see you " herd" a Cape Buffalo, a polar bear or a hippo without serious pharmaceutical grade tranquilizers.


That should be amusing to watch.
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#25
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 8:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

They didn't...and..frankly, this is an absurd rejoinder in the context of a tall tale about the contents of a big bote.  Do you also think that those same nomadic tribes understood naval architecture when they dreamt up the SS Miracle?  Was some ancient meteorologist consulted on the specifics of the storm?

Absolutely nothing about the story pans out. There was no collecting animals, there was no boat, there was no deluge. None of it ever happened. There's no use coming up with ludicrous explanations for a thing that never happened.
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#26
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
What ancient nomadic tribes did not know is how many animals species there are in the world, so “Two of every sort” seemed no big deal to the Biblical writers, who probably identified not more than a few hundred different animals altogether. For reference, Aristotle writing about 350 B.C.E., could list only about five hundred species of animals.

Yet we now know that there are some six thousand species of mammals alone.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#27
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 10:21 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: What ancient nomadic tribes did not know is how many animals species there are in the world, so “Two of every sort” seemed no big deal to the Biblical writers, who probably identified not more than a few hundred different animals altogether. For reference, Aristotle writing about 350 B.C.E., could list only about five hundred species of animals.

Yet we now know that there are some six thousand species of mammals alone.

Two of every kind would have resulted in an extinction vortex.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#28
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 8:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

More about herding goats, sheep, and cattle than most modern atheists, sure. I'm a farm boy myself, and experienced with herding cattle (some experience herding goats, I hate sheep). I don't see how that experience translates into herding armadillos or platypuses or lions.

As an aside, the Flood Myth was taken absolutely literally until we found there was never a global flood. Mainstream Christian geologists (including Catholic ones) expected to find evidence of a world-wide flood. Now 'it's always been an allegory'. Funny how that works.
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#29
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 11:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(September 20, 2021 at 8:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

More about herding goats, sheep, and cattle than most modern atheists, sure. I'm a farm boy myself, and experienced with herding cattle (some experience herding goats, I hate sheep). I don't see how that experience translates into herding armadillos or platypuses or lions.

As an aside, the Flood Myth was taken absolutely literally until we found there was never a global flood. Mainstream Christian geologists (including Catholic ones) expected to find evidence of a world-wide flood. Now 'it's always been an allegory'. Funny how that works.

Yeah, I'm sure that those ancients would have understood the difference between a 3-legged and 4-legged stool, also!
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#30
RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
(September 20, 2021 at 10:04 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(September 20, 2021 at 8:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

Do you not suppose that the ancient nomadic tribes understood herding animals better than modern internet atheists?

They didn't...and..frankly, this is an absurd rejoinder in the context of a tall tale about the contents of a big bote.  Do you also think that those same nomadic tribes understood naval architecture when they dreamt up the SS Miracle?  Was some ancient meteorologist consulted on the specifics of the storm?

Absolutely nothing about the story pans out. There was no collecting animals, there was no boat, there was no deluge. None of it ever happened. There's no use coming up with ludicrous explanations for a thing that never happened.

You are making my point which is that the ancient writers and the early listeners would have first hand knowlegble and experience of animal management, certainly enough to see the absurdities much more clearly than most modern First World citizens. So yeah, it is pretty dumb to consider the deluge narative a factual account of actual events. Apart from literal minded fundamentalists and atheist trolls, I do not know anyone who thinks giving a factual account was ever the point of the story.
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