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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 12:50 pm
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OJ justice....
He' s "one of us" and he' s famous - so " not guilty".
If this was Joe Blow making a home movie - you folks would be calling it murder and demanding a life sentence........
And if he was an ( R ) - the death penalty.
(October 28, 2021 at 12:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Now, your job: find me a law that says anytime someone pulls a trigger, they are legally responsible for the consequences. Take your time.
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Uh no.
I asked you a specific question and you didn' t answer.
If somebody handed you a gun - told you it wa unloaded - would you put it to your head and pull the trigger?
No?
Gee... Why not.? He TOLD you it was unloaded....
You should be fine with pulling the trigger......
But apparently you would point it at somebody else and yank the trigger...... After all - not YOUR responsibility, eh?
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:02 pm
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(October 28, 2021 at 12:50 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: OJ justice....
He' s "one of us" and he' s famous - so " not guilty".
If this was Joe Blow making a home movie - you folks would be calling it murder and demanding a life sentence........
And if he was an ( R ) - the death penalty.
Given the same circumstances? No, I wouldn’t. Unlike a lot of my lefty cunt friends, I think a significant number of gun deaths are tragic accidents where the shooter is not necessarily at fault.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:09 pm
(October 28, 2021 at 12:50 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: OJ justice....
He' s "one of us" and he' s famous - so " not guilty".
If this was Joe Blow making a home movie - you folks would be calling it murder and demanding a life sentence........
And if he was an ( R ) - the death penalty.
(October 28, 2021 at 12:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Now, your job: find me a law that says anytime someone pulls a trigger, they are legally responsible for the consequences. Take your time.
Boru
Uh no.
I asked you a specific question and you didn' t answer.
If somebody handed you a gun - told you it wa unloaded - would you put it to your head and pull the trigger?
No?
Gee... Why not.? He TOLD you it was unloaded....
You should be fine with pulling the trigger......
But apparently you would point it at somebody else and yank the trigger...... After all - not YOUR responsibility, eh?
No, I would not put a gun to my head and pull the trigger. But if, over the years, 50 different professional gunsmiths handed me 50 different guns, told the they were unloaded and they WERE unloaded, I’d be inclined to trust gunsmith #51.
But if I were stupid enough to put an allegedly unload gun to my head and pulled the trigger, I would hope that the person who handed my the gun would face charges of negligent homicide or some such.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:10 pm
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That's who would swing if anyone does - but no one will. OLB is a nut flogging a private grievance between alec baldwin and some other person. That's so weird and sad - when you think about it.
He doesn't know any of these people, isn't appraised of the situation, and doesn't understand the relevant laws.......and yet...here is his thread. What a cuck.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:26 pm
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Quote:OJ justice....
He's "one of us" and he's famous - so " not guilty".
If this was Joe Blow making a home movie - you folks would be calling it murder and demanding a life sentence........
And if he was an ( R ) - the death penalty.
Nope if it were a Republican or anyone else we would view it as a tragic accident. This is another example of your "everything is politics " mindset. Oh OJ was freed because he was rich and could afford good lawyers not because he was black.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:27 pm
(October 27, 2021 at 6:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn’t Baldwin’s legal or moral responsibility to check whether or not the pistol contained live rounds. The on-set armourer shouted ‘Cold gun!’ (when it wasn’t) and gave the gun to the assistant director, who was supposed to check it and failed to do so. Baldwin had every reason to expect he had been handed a ‘safed’ gun.
It’s neither usual nor reasonable to hold him responsible for the fuck ups of other people. Someone needs to be charged for this, but it ain’t Baldwin.
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I disagree. Anyone and everyone handling a real gun is responsible for safety. The second you take a gun in your hand, you are responsible.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:30 pm
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Quote:I disagree. Anyone and everyone handling a real gun is responsible for safety. The second you take a gun in your hand, you are responsible.
Nope, it's the job of the props people to make sure props are safe. Not the actors,
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 1:34 pm
If there is a bomb to be used on a movie/TV set, it's reasonable to believe that it isn't going to blow the fuck up. Pretty sure there are a lot of props that could cause harm but don't because someone is in charge of making sure they don't. There are people charged with and paid for making sure shit like this doesn't happen...and it isn't the actors.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 2:51 pm
(October 28, 2021 at 1:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 28, 2021 at 12:50 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: OJ justice....
He' s "one of us" and he' s famous - so " not guilty".
If this was Joe Blow making a home movie - you folks would be calling it murder and demanding a life sentence........
And if he was an ( R ) - the death penalty.
Uh no.
I asked you a specific question and you didn' t answer.
If somebody handed you a gun - told you it wa unloaded - would you put it to your head and pull the trigger?
No?
Gee... Why not.? He TOLD you it was unloaded....
You should be fine with pulling the trigger......
But apparently you would point it at somebody else and yank the trigger...... After all - not YOUR responsibility, eh?
No, I would not put a gun to my head and pull the trigger. But if, over the years, 50 different professional gunsmiths handed me 50 different guns, told the they were unloaded and they WERE unloaded, I’d be inclined to trust gunsmith #51.
But if I were stupid enough to put an allegedly unload gun to my head and pulled the trigger, I would hope that the person who handed my the gun would face charges of negligent homicide or some such.
Boru
Twice in my years working in a gun shop I was handed a gun to put out on the floor - once by the owner - and once by a gunsmith - where upon checking the action - found live ammo in the gun.
You NEVER trust the guy who tells you " it' s unloaded".
Never.
You check for yourself.
And even then - you treat it as if it were loaded with live ammo.
Is my way better?
Ask Mr Baldwin.
I haven' t killed anyone.
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RE: Alec Baldwin Shooting
October 28, 2021 at 2:51 pm
(October 28, 2021 at 1:34 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: If there is a bomb to be used on a movie/TV set, it's reasonable to believe that it isn't going to blow the fuck up. Pretty sure there are a lot of props that could cause harm but don't because someone is in charge of making sure they don't. There are people charged with and paid for making sure shit like this doesn't happen...and it isn't the actors.
True. But just like a restaurant owner, many don't cook and simply sit up front and run the cash register and delegate table seating. My understanding is that this "Rust" movie was Alec's production. I used to work at a breakfast joint, and I did most of the cleanup at the end of the day, and one of my jobs was to clean the walls and floors behind the stoves and flat top and grill. I'd pull the equipment out and notice that the gas lines which were flexible hoses, were frayed, and it always bothered me. Fortunately nothing ever happened, but I did worry. If a cook had accidentally lit a gas leak, the lack of maintenance would still ultimately be on the owner. How is that such an inexperienced armorer was hired? Honestly, to me it would have been like my former boss at the restaurant hiring me to cook when I was a dishwasher, and I suck at cooking.
I have no doubt that Alec had no malice in what happened. But it still remains that protocol failed. I am sure Alec feels extremely bad. Hopefully if there is anything lesson to be learned is that redundancy and not cutting corners is paramount. I've been following this story for days now on multiple channels with interviews from multiple Hollywood prop experts when it comes to firearms. Every single one of those experts said this never should have happened.
I feel bad for everyone involved, but especially her family.
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