Alec Baldwin Shooting

[onlinebiker]

The better pick.would be to never allow actors to play with real firearms.


They are guns - not toys - and should not be props.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, go tell the billion dollar hollywood shoot-em-up industry that guns are... like..dangerous and stuff. You wouldn't want them in the hands of idiots.

Imagine what they'd do when they realized that on the left coast. Boy, it'd fuck their whole world up, wouldn't it. Completely derail their legislative priorities.

[Brian37]

The better pick.would be to never allow actors to play with real firearms.


They are guns - not toys - and should not be props.

I agree, so what makes you think that laypeople, who don't even have the oversight of weapon's masters, who simply go to a gun store and whine "I have no record, give me one" should simply have one? I agree guns are  not toys, but with the amount of firearm violence we have in this country, it seems the irresponsible ones outnumber the responsible ones. 

You cant have it both ways. You can't say, "Don't blame responsible gun owners, just keep them out of the wrong hands" then bitch when I agree that we should keep them out of the wrong hands. We've been relying on "no record at time of buy" blindly too much. Our saturated market makes access too easy. 

Movie prop guns should never be able to launch any type of projectile even if it is just compact wadding blanks. I think it may have been pointed out somewhere before on this issue that an actor actually accidentally  killed himself on a talk show because he stupidly thought the blank couldn't hurt him. The explosion of the blank caused a catastrophic concussion, like being punched in the temple with a wrecking ball. 

The distraction you are focused on is a title, IE "actor", when the real issue is human complacency in any situation, be it on the job, or at home. On a movie set, at a gun range, a cop at home, a body guard, an instructor. Having a title that involves use of a firearm, does not make the person using it magically immune from fucking up. So it isn't just actors. There's a video of a cop in front of a classroom who shot himself in the foot.

Guns killed more people between the ages of 1 and 19 beating cancer and drug overdoses. And just on injuries alone, without dying, even gun injuries are now beating out car crashes when it comes to youth. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-rcna25443

[onlinebiker]

The better pick.would be to never allow actors to play with real firearms.


They are guns - not toys - and should not be props.

I agree, so what makes you think that laypeople, who don't even have the oversight of weapon's masters, who simply go to a gun store and whine "I have no record, give me one" should simply have one? I agree guns are  not toys, but with the amount of firearm violence we have in this country, it seems the irresponsible ones outnumber the responsible ones. 

You cant have it both ways. You can't say, "Don't blame responsible gun owners, just keep them out of the wrong hands" then bitch when I agree that we should keep them out of the wrong hands. We've been relying on "no record at time of buy" blindly too much. Our saturated market makes access too easy. 

Movie prop guns should never be able to launch any type of projectile even if it is just compact wadding blanks. I think it may have been pointed out somewhere before on this issue that an actor actually accidentally  killed himself on a talk show because he stupidly thought the blank couldn't hurt him. The explosion of the blank caused a catastrophic concussion, like being punched in the temple with a wrecking ball. 

The distraction you are focused on is a title, IE "actor", when the real issue is human complacency in any situation, be it on the job, or at home. On a movie set, at a gun range, a cop at home, a body guard, an instructor. Having a title that involves use of a firearm, does not make the person using it magically immune from fucking up. So it isn't just actors. There's a video of a cop in front of a classroom who shot himself in the foot.

Guns killed more people between the ages of 1 and 19 beating cancer and drug overdoses. And just on injuries alone, without dying, even gun injuries are now beating out car crashes when it comes to youth. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-rcna25443

Very few people who buy firearms do so for the purpose of pretending to kill someone with it.

They buy them with the idea that it is a real weapon with a very real purpose with responsibility attatched.

[Rev. Rye]

I agree, so what makes you think that laypeople, who don't even have the oversight of weapon's masters, who simply go to a gun store and whine "I have no record, give me one" should simply have one? I agree guns are  not toys, but with the amount of firearm violence we have in this country, it seems the irresponsible ones outnumber the responsible ones. 

You cant have it both ways. You can't say, "Don't blame responsible gun owners, just keep them out of the wrong hands" then bitch when I agree that we should keep them out of the wrong hands. We've been relying on "no record at time of buy" blindly too much. Our saturated market makes access too easy. 

Movie prop guns should never be able to launch any type of projectile even if it is just compact wadding blanks. I think it may have been pointed out somewhere before on this issue that an actor actually accidentally  killed himself on a talk show because he stupidly thought the blank couldn't hurt him. The explosion of the blank caused a catastrophic concussion, like being punched in the temple with a wrecking ball. 

The distraction you are focused on is a title, IE "actor", when the real issue is human complacency in any situation, be it on the job, or at home. On a movie set, at a gun range, a cop at home, a body guard, an instructor. Having a title that involves use of a firearm, does not make the person using it magically immune from fucking up. So it isn't just actors. There's a video of a cop in front of a classroom who shot himself in the foot.

Guns killed more people between the ages of 1 and 19 beating cancer and drug overdoses. And just on injuries alone, without dying, even gun injuries are now beating out car crashes when it comes to youth. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-rcna25443

Very few people who buy firearms do so for the purpose of pretending to kill someone with it.

X

Yeah, they're more likely to do so for the purpose of actually killing someone with it than pretending to do so. And yet you balk at any proposal that tries to keep guns out of the hands of people who actually want to cause harm.

[Brian37]

I agree, so what makes you think that laypeople, who don't even have the oversight of weapon's masters, who simply go to a gun store and whine "I have no record, give me one" should simply have one? I agree guns are  not toys, but with the amount of firearm violence we have in this country, it seems the irresponsible ones outnumber the responsible ones. 

You cant have it both ways. You can't say, "Don't blame responsible gun owners, just keep them out of the wrong hands" then bitch when I agree that we should keep them out of the wrong hands. We've been relying on "no record at time of buy" blindly too much. Our saturated market makes access too easy. 

Movie prop guns should never be able to launch any type of projectile even if it is just compact wadding blanks. I think it may have been pointed out somewhere before on this issue that an actor actually accidentally  killed himself on a talk show because he stupidly thought the blank couldn't hurt him. The explosion of the blank caused a catastrophic concussion, like being punched in the temple with a wrecking ball. 

The distraction you are focused on is a title, IE "actor", when the real issue is human complacency in any situation, be it on the job, or at home. On a movie set, at a gun range, a cop at home, a body guard, an instructor. Having a title that involves use of a firearm, does not make the person using it magically immune from fucking up. So it isn't just actors. There's a video of a cop in front of a classroom who shot himself in the foot.

Guns killed more people between the ages of 1 and 19 beating cancer and drug overdoses. And just on injuries alone, without dying, even gun injuries are now beating out car crashes when it comes to youth. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-rcna25443

Very few people who buy firearms do so for the purpose of pretending to kill someone with it.

They buy them with the idea that it is a real weapon with a very real purpose with responsibility attatched.

You really love your pretzel logic don't you? No most people do not buy a weapon with attaching responsibility to it. I'd only agree people may go into it with the intent of being responsible, but if you had bothered to read my post, complacency doesn't give a shit about your intent. It only takes one spit second to fuck up, and there is no rewind button on a bullet. Again, if most people were responsible as you falsely want to believe, we would have the epidemic level no other comparative western wealthy nation peer has. None of our allies come close to our stupidity and slavish worship.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Very few people who buy firearms do so for the purpose of pretending to kill someone with it.

They buy them with the idea that it is a real weapon with a very real purpose with responsibility attatched.

You really love your pretzel logic don't you? No most people do not buy a weapon with attaching responsibility to it. I'd only agree people may go into it with the intent of being responsible, but if you had bothered to read my post, complacency doesn't give a shit about your intent. It only takes one spit second to fuck up, and there is no rewind button on a bullet. Again, if most people were responsible as you falsely want to believe, we would have the epidemic level no other comparative western wealthy nation peer has. None of our allies come close to our stupidity and slavish worship.

81 million Americans own 393 million firearms. In 2020, a little over 45 000 USians were killed by privately owned firearms (that number includes ALL gun deaths - murder, suicide, accident).

While 45 000 is far too many and a tragic number, if most people were as irresponsible as you claim, that number would be far, far higher. I mean, mind-wobblingly high.

Since the number of firearm deaths is such a tiny percentage of the number of people who own guns, the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn is that the thundering majority of gun owners do - as OLB said - have a very real appreciation of the responsibility that comes with owning firearms.

Boru

[Angrboda]

You really love your pretzel logic don't you? No most people do not buy a weapon with attaching responsibility to it. I'd only agree people may go into it with the intent of being responsible, but if you had bothered to read my post, complacency doesn't give a shit about your intent. It only takes one spit second to fuck up, and there is no rewind button on a bullet. Again, if most people were responsible as you falsely want to believe, we would have the epidemic level no other comparative western wealthy nation peer has. None of our allies come close to our stupidity and slavish worship.

81 million Americans own 393 million firearms. In 2020, a little over 45 000 USians were killed by privately owned firearms (that number includes ALL gun deaths - murder, suicide, accident).

While 45 000 is far too many and a tragic number, if most people were as irresponsible as you claim, that number would be far, far higher. I mean, mind-wobblingly high.

Since the number of firearm deaths is such a tiny percentage of the number of people who own guns, the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn is that the thundering majority of gun owners do - as OLB said - have a very real appreciation of the responsibility that comes with owning firearms.

Boru

That doesn't follow. Irresponsibility doesn't always lead to harm. It most often doesn't, thanks to social systems and practices which insulate people from the potential harm their irresponsibility might result in. I'm sure some gun owners are both prudent and responsible. The number of gun related incidents recorded is not itself a reliable index of how many gun owners are such. People on the whole are pretty stupid and reckless. Thanks to evolution, such flaws are not usually fatal.

[The Grand Nudger]

Most of the guns in the us are held by single owners who have more than eight firearms in their collection. Thus, the number of guns would never directly translate to numbers of accidents or crimes..if only because it's hard to use eight guns at once in the commission of a crime or by accident. It is still a valid observation, I think, that this level of saturation only occurs in warzones, outside of the us..but that the us does not look like those warzones - despite the nutters fever dreams..which cause them to arm up in the first place.

[onlinebiker]

Very few people who buy firearms do so for the purpose of pretending to kill someone with it.

X

Yeah, they're more likely to do so for the purpose of actually killing someone with it than pretending to do so. And yet you balk at any proposal that tries to keep guns out of the hands of people who actually want to cause harm.

I have never bought a gun with the intention of killing someone with it. Nor has anyone else I know.