[Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II

[Angrboda]

This from the moron who had to be convinced that plasma is a state of matter, suddenly he's an expert on black holes and the theory of relativity?

The only place where time has stopped is in the moral progression of those stuck within the Islamic death cult.

[Anomalocaris]

Diving in the Quran more; I have found more evidence indicating that "hell" is actually a "black hole".
Next, are the verses that made me consider this evidence pretty seriously:

1- Hell is a place where inmate "neither live" nor "die":

Sura 35, The Quran:

https://quran.com/35:36?store=false&translations=


As for the disbelievers, they will have the Fire of Hell, where they will not be ˹allowed to be˺ finished by death, nor will its torment be lightened for them. This is how We reward every ˹stubborn˺ disbeliever.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

2- Again, hell's inmate are described as stuck between "life" and "death":

Sura 87, The Quran:

https://quran.com/87:13?font=v1&translations=131%2C20

(11) But it will be shunned by the most wretched,

(12) who will burn in the greatest Fire,

(13) where they will not ˹be able to˺ live or die.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

The only place we know that this fate is possible, is actually a black hole:

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.

Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

A theory I have have is that hell is the black hole at the centre of our galaxy.

diving into any holy book, amongst the least of all-I don’t want to underestimate every other holy books with too unseemly a haste-the koran, will never produce anything that qualify as evidence, unless it is yet more for the authors being full of shit and probably knew it.

[HappySkeptic]

Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

Guess what - for a person falling into a black hole, they experience a very short life in their timeframe.  How are these few seconds of perceived existence Hell?

[Paleophyte]

Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

From the PoV of the luckless bugger falling into the black hole time proceeds as normal. As you approach the black hole the gravity pulling on your feet will be greater than that pulling on your head. Eventually this difference becomes so great that you will be pulled apart at an atomic level in what astrophysicists call "spaghettification". Yes, that's the technical term. If there was any doubt, you will be very, very dead. Though the enormous amounts of radiation will likely kill you first.

Congratulations on disproving the Quran.

And how do you figure you got to a black hole in the first place?

[Deesse23]

A theory I have have is that hell is the black hole at the centre of our galaxy.

Why not any other black hole?

Can you please tell us which vaccine against COVID19 the Quran recommends? I am talking specifically about one we have not already invented.

[WinterHold]

God that was lazy Winter...heres the rest of your quote...seems to suggest that things going on inside don't quite match what an observer outside could see.  

Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. ... Inside the black hole, the flow of time itself draws falling objects into the center of the black hole. No force in the universe can stop this fall, any more than we can stop the flow of time.

Sensing a pattern.  Gonna get around to posting any of the mountain of other things that magic book said, or is that all there is to this?  In all of magic books descriptions of hell, you glommed onto a single sentence about not living or dying, decided that was time stopping, and then..glommed onto a single sentence about black holes, likewise ignoring everything else you might easily find..even things you obviously -did- find..like that full quote, just like you did with your own magic book.

-and they say we're the infidels and unbelievers.....

I'm sensing "denial" though; a quote I provided from Harvard's website literally says that "near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme"; which literally indicates that an object sucked by the black hole "will look frozen"; which is identical to the fate of the inmates of hell as the Quran said.

Another scary fact, is that stars get sucked too into the black hole; making a cosmic sea of fire:



But you can keep ignoring the big fat ancient Quranic verse saying "As for the disbelievers, they will have the Fire of Hell, where they will not be ˹allowed to be˺ finished by death, nor will its torment be lightened for them. This is how We reward every ˹stubborn˺ disbeliever." Quran-35:36"

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You think I'm trying to convince this islamist of something?  That's a fools errand.

Look; you want me to disbelief? fine.
Make me despise the Quran by showing me its flaws.

A single flaw will be enough !

#Note: philosophers tried for 1400 years with no avail; but maybe you're the lucky one who will enlighten me and the Ummah.

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This from the moron who had to be convinced that plasma is a state of matter, suddenly he's an expert on black holes and the theory of relativity?

The only place where time has stopped is in the moral progression of those stuck within the Islamic death cult.

No, time stops at black holes too.

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Diving in the Quran more; I have found more evidence indicating that "hell" is actually a "black hole".
Next, are the verses that made me consider this evidence pretty seriously:

1- Hell is a place where inmate "neither live" nor "die":



2- Again, hell's inmate are described as stuck between "life" and "death":



The only place we know that this fate is possible, is actually a black hole:

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.



A theory I have have is that hell is the black hole at the centre of our galaxy.

diving into any holy book, amongst the least of all-I don’t want to underestimate every other holy books with too unseemly a haste-the koran, will never produce anything that qualify as evidence, unless it is yet more for the authors being full of shit and probably knew it.

Take this topic as a disproof for your remark: all I needed was verse "35:36"; from it I knew that "hell" is a place where:

1-time stops (people don't die or live in it)
2-full of fire

then, I learned about an actual place that time "stops in" and also full of fire at its entrance; i.e a black hole.

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From the PoV of the luckless bugger falling into the black hole time proceeds as normal. As you approach the black hole the gravity pulling on your feet will be greater than that pulling on your head. Eventually this difference becomes so great that you will be pulled apart at an atomic level in what astrophysicists call "spaghettification". Yes, that's the technical term. If there was any doubt, you will be very, very dead. Though the enormous amounts of radiation will likely kill you first.

Congratulations on disproving the Quran.

And how do you figure you got to a black hole in the first place?

Great remark, but sadly not close.

Actually, the Quran did say that people will be "resurrected from death first in an earth that looks different than ours", so their built may differ totally -according to my view-:

Sura 14, The Quran:
https://quran.com/14:48?store=false&translations=

(48) ˹Watch for˺ the Day ˹when˺ the earth will be changed into a different earth and the heavens as well, and all will appear before Allah—the One, the Supreme.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

I believe our bodies will be immortal when we rise from the graves, so according to your remark; a more brutal fate awaits the inmates of hell as they will endure "spaghettification" for billions of years.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Since time stops for someone inside a black hold, then their thought processes will stop as well. Since there’s no passage of time, then nothing could be experienced. A person inside a black hole (accepting for the moment that they could somehow not be reduced to their constituent particles) would not experience suffering. They would be in a state of oblivion.

But it’s adorable that you’re trying so hard.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

10 bucks says this nutbar bows to the first alien spaceship that lands on earth. He's a not a muslim, thats just the culture he was raised in, lol.

[WinterHold]

Since time stops for someone inside a black hold, then their thought processes will stop as well. Since there’s no passage of time, then nothing could be experienced. A person inside a black hole (accepting for the moment that they could somehow not be reduced to their constituent particles) would not experience suffering. They would be in a state of oblivion.

But it’s adorable that you’re trying so hard.

Boru

The Quran states that the thinking process of hell's inmates will quite intact:

Sura 43, The Quran:
https://quran.com/43:77?font=v1&translations=131%2C20

(74) Indeed, the criminals abide in the punishment of Hell

(75) which is never palliated for them, and in it they are devastated.

(76) Yet in no way did We do them injustice, but it was they who were the unjust.

(77) And they criedf, “O Malek1, let your Lord finish us off.” He said, “You are staying.

— Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation

"Malik" is the keeper of hell; an angel. So inmates will be able to think, cry, feel and ever recognise names.

[The Grand Nudger]

Rules out a black hole, then, huh. Back to the drawing board I suppose. I'm sure you'll come up with something equally silly next time, you never disappoint.